[Seaside] Re: Seaside and REST

[Philippe Marschall]

2007/3/29, Daryl Richter <ngzax at comcast.net>:
> On 3/29/07 5:03 AM, "Lukas Renggli" <renggli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> * GET vs. POST: One of the things that confused me about the simple
> >>>> counter example already is that it uses POST instead of GET - isn't GET
> >>>> supposed to be idempotent as well as not modifying the requested
> >>>> resource?
> >>>
> >>> Frankly, if you are thinking about URLs and POST vs. GET, you should
> >>> probably not use Seaside.
> >>
> >> Frankly, giving a non-answer like this isn't exactly helpful.
> >
> > Seaside is for people that don't want to worry about low level details
> > such as HTTP. It let them think about more important things when
> > building a sophisticated application. Again if you want to fiddle
> > around with URLs and worry about HTTP details you probably should use
> > a different framework.
> >
> > Have a look at #navigation in WAAnchorTag. It creates an idempotent
> > (navigational) action callback for anchors.
> >
> >> question. And I think the robots issue is a real one, too. Or do Seaside
> >> apps somehow, magically, never get indexed?
> >
> > You see, Seaside is for sophisticated web *applications* and not web
> > *sites*. Does it make sense to index an application like Microsoft
> > Word? I doubt so.
>
> Ah, but if they are on the internet, they *will* be indexed.
>
> In the early days of Ruby on Rails framework development there was a a bit
> of angst since the framework initially performed deletes using links that
> used GET.  People put their sites up, Google "indexed", bye-bye data.

http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/blogbugfix

In the earlier versions there was a confirmation dialog, that used a
form and POST but this had to be replaced by a single get and a JS
confirmation.

> So, while I totally agree that people creating a web site w/ Seaside
> shouldn't need to know about GET, POST, &c., the developers of the framework
> certainly should understand and use HTTP methods appropriately.
>
> >
> >> Can they even be indexed in any meaningful way?
> >
> > They certainly can, ask Google what it knows about my Pier site:
> >
> >      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:www.lukas-renggli.ch
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lukas
>
> --
> Daryl
>
> "Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have
> to ram it down their throats."
>     -- Howard Aiken
>
>
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