[Seaside] Seaside, Traits, portability

Boris Popov boris at deepcovelabs.com
Tue May 1 11:44:18 UTC 2007

Stephane, I'll tell you where exactly things have gone wrong for me. We are using VisualWorks for a reason and for someone to suggest that I should ask Cincom to get my money back on this list is somewhat interesting, because the whole idea behind seaside like many have pointed out since is to have a framework that's clean and portable. We can't afford such arrogance simply because we don't have enough traction and mindshare to justify it and the only chance for us to ever get any of  either is to work together instead of doing what we're doing now.

Having said all that, have you heard of anyone trying to port MC to VisualWorks? Its something I'm going to play with on my flight back home from Toronto after my talk, but thought I'd check here first in case someone had started already.

Avi, not sure if Colin is on this list, perhaps he might know of such attempts?


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Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside, Traits, portability

just a last remark:
	traits do not exist at run-time AT ALL. They are just structuring  
static elements.
	So this to me like saying that using MC is not good to run squeak  
	I do not really understand the problem that traits have. May be I'm  
too stupid to understand.
	especially since for ports the code can be without traits.


On 30 avr. 07, at 19:45, Avi Bryant wrote:

> On 4/29/07, Boris Popov <boris at deepcovelabs.com> wrote:
>> Why be so cynical? Different strokes for different folks. I've  
>> felt many
>> times that you couldn't care less about anyone not using squeak  
>> and it does
>> nothing but motivate me to unsubscribe from the list for good.
> Boris, please don't unsubscribe. I think you'll find the vast majority
> of people on this list care deeply about keeping Seaside portable
> across dialects - I would guess that at this point it's the largest
> portable Smalltalk codebase, and the largest cross-dialect community,
> and that's very important to me and to many others.
> For that reason and others, nobody who uses Seaside in production is
> seriously proposing that we make it depend on Traits - as far as I
> know, nobody uses Traits in production, period.  By all means, let's
> have an academic discussion about the costs and benefits of Traits,
> but let's do it with a very clear understanding that it is indeed
> academic, and *not* a proposal that's going to affect mainline Seaside
> any time even vaguely soon.
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