[Seaside] Seaside, Traits, portability

[Philippe Marschall]

2007/5/2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse at free.fr>:
> Sorry but I do not understand what you are saying.
> I'm just saying that the argument against trait could be that you do
> not have adequate browsers
> to code with them,

Yeah, tools that are 90% done and no progress in sight is definitely a
bummer. This would have made a great SoC project IMHO.

The bugs in ClassBuilder (Tratis having the same user twice) aren't
helping either.

Cheers
Philippe

> not portability since we can remove them.
> I would like to hear what philippe and lukas are thinking about that.
>
> Stef
>
> > Stephane, I'll tell you where exactly things have gone wrong for
> > me. We are using VisualWorks for a reason and for someone to
> > suggest that I should ask Cincom to get my money back on this list
> > is somewhat interesting, because the whole idea behind seaside like
> > many have pointed out since is to have a framework that's clean and
> > portable. We can't afford such arrogance simply because we don't
> > have enough traction and mindshare to justify it and the only
> > chance for us to ever get any of  either is to work together
> > instead of doing what we're doing now.
> >
> > Having said all that, have you heard of anyone trying to port MC to
> > VisualWorks? Its something I'm going to play with on my flight back
> > home from Toronto after my talk, but thought I'd check here first
> > in case someone had started already.
> >
> > Avi, not sure if Colin is on this list, perhaps he might know of
> > such attempts?
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > -Boris
> > (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-
> > bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> > To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> > Sent: Tue May 01 01:31:05 2007
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside, Traits, portability
> >
> > just a last remark:
> >         traits do not exist at run-time AT ALL. They are just
> > structuring
> > static elements.
> >         So this to me like saying that using MC is not good to run
> > squeak
> > application.
> >         I do not really understand the problem that traits have.
> > May be I'm
> > too stupid to understand.
> >         especially since for ports the code can be without traits.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > On 30 avr. 07, at 19:45, Avi Bryant wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/29/07, Boris Popov <boris at deepcovelabs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why be so cynical? Different strokes for different folks. I've
> > >> felt many
> > >> times that you couldn't care less about anyone not using squeak
> > >> and it does
> > >> nothing but motivate me to unsubscribe from the list for good.
> > >
> > > Boris, please don't unsubscribe. I think you'll find the vast
> > majority
> > > of people on this list care deeply about keeping Seaside portable
> > > across dialects - I would guess that at this point it's the largest
> > > portable Smalltalk codebase, and the largest cross-dialect
> > community,
> > > and that's very important to me and to many others.
> > >
> > > For that reason and others, nobody who uses Seaside in production is
> > > seriously proposing that we make it depend on Traits - as far as I
> > > know, nobody uses Traits in production, period.  By all means, let's
> > > have an academic discussion about the costs and benefits of Traits,
> > > but let's do it with a very clear understanding that it is indeed
> > > academic, and *not* a proposal that's going to affect mainline
> > Seaside
> > > any time even vaguely soon.
> > >
> > > Avi
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