[Seaside] gemstone / appliance / ISP options

[giorgio ferraris]

Hi, James,

You are correct, the real question is: How much will it cost? Not if
it will be on a dedicated server or not. I did the wrong question just
because usually dedicated means more expensive, so the question was
implicit....

Thanks
Ciao

Giorgio
On Nov 4, 2007 1:16 PM, James Foster <Smalltalk at jgfoster.net> wrote:
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>  Giorgio,
>
>  There are actually two, unrelated issues, here. First, "itsme123" thought
> that GLASS would be available only through VMware. I saw that and jumped in
> with the answer that he/she did not need VMware. As you point out, however,
> the other (probally more important) question is what hosting options are
> available (without regard to how it is actually installed).
>
>  My perception is that "shared" hosting is available for more traditional
> usage patterns (Apache, Perl, PHP, MYSQL), but less available for
> non-traditional and 64-bigt applications (including Seaside). Further, my
> perception is that "shared" vs. "dedicated" is simply a shorthand for
> whether you have root access and how much of the machine can you use (my
> guess is that even a "dedicated" machine is rarely a separate box but is
> almost certainly a virtual machine inside a much larger box). Thus, the most
> ultimate question is "What will it cost?" not "What name does the hosting
> company apply to service?"
>
>  Note that there is nothing to prevent someone in the community from leasing
> a dedicated machine, and subleasing portions of it to others. I assume that
> this is what is happening at http://www.seasidehosting.st/ (which provides
> free hosting for non-commercial Squeak Seaside applications).
>
>  James
>
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>
>  giorgio ferraris wrote:
>  James,
>
> If I'm not wrong, this is just one of the two options itsme213 pointed
> at: dedicated host.
> I have the suspect that this is the only option for having a seaside
> app running on the WEB, will it be a Gemstone, VW, Squeak or Dolphin
> based one.
> I would like to be wrong.
> Someone know of other ways?
>
> Ciao
>
> Giorgio
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2007 9:34 AM, James Foster <Smalltalk at jgfoster.net> wrote:
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>
>  itsme213 wrote:
>
>
>  I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to run a VMWare
> appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be
> available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either (a) look
> elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only.
>
> Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical ISPs) on VPS
> hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider?
>
>
>  The VMware appliance is a way to get a pre-configured GLASS (GemStone,
> Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk). While we expect that it will be an
> attractive way for most people to try out GLASS, you will have the
> option of doing all the setup and configuration yourself--if that is
> what you want/need. In that case, the thing to ask for when looking for
> hosting plans is simply "64-bit Linux." For example, I just did a Google
> search for "64-bit Linux hosting" that led me to
> http://www.calpop.com/dedicated.html which offers root access to a Core
> 2 Duo with Ubuntu 64-bit Linux for $135/month.
>
> James Foster
>
> P.S. Do you have a name you are willing to share?
>
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