[Seaside] Truly Opaque URLs

Boris Popov boris at deepcovelabs.com
Fri Nov 30 17:54:47 UTC 2007


Okay, no flames is good. I think the easiest way you can get traction on
this list is by modding Seaside to do what you have in mind. It's a lot
easier to poll people when we're comparing two equally workable proven
solutions, no?


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-
> bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Jimmie Houchin
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:51 AM
> To: Seaside - general discussion
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Truly Opaque URLs
> Boris Popov wrote:
> > Oh, I just don't buy that without a much better backing.
> >
> > What about Amazon's URLs?
> >
> >
> > pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1196443532&sr=8-1
> Actually I've spent a lot of time manipulating Amazon URLs. They are
> quite everything that a Seaside URL isn't supposed to be. State
> in a URL requiring marshalling of data from URL into the server.
> > Or eBay's?
> >
> >
> > QQfvcsZ1453QQsoprZ53000938
> >
> > Do you consider them beautiful? Or any other more or less
> > solution out there? Simply put, the end user could care less about
> > URL if the app does what users want.
> Do I consider what beautiful? Amazon or eBays? No, absolutely not. A
> yuck! Do I consider Seaside's beautiful? No.
> But I do believe a RESTful like URL preceding an opaque ID at the end,
> and the shorter the opaque ID can be the better, is a reasonable and
> more beautiful solution.
> > Before someone brings up bookmarkability, I'll step in and warn that
> > has nothing with how URL looks :)
> Absolutely.
> > Now let me go back and don my fireproof suit.
> Nah, we can be civil. :)
> I was just tossing out an idea. It can be shot down and deemed bad,
> ugly, unreasonable, unworkable, without merit or whatever. But if
> don't get brought up and discussed we'll never know. :)
> I realize I might have a different opinion on this than most of the
> Seaside fan/user base. But that's ok.
> I do like elegant URLs. I know Seaside has a reason for having IDs in
> its URLs. I do believe/hope they can be less ugly than they are. I do
> like elegant looking things. Aesthetics matter. After all we are using
> Smalltalk and not Perl. (ducks, sorry Randal. :)
> Why are we embedding things in the URL that can be manipulated? I have
> read messages in this list on deleting X portion of the URL to achieve
> certain affects.
> If we say that we don't want users to be able to do such. Then we
> eliminate such. Personally, I don't want users to manipulate variable
> content in the URL. Even if it is just an ID.
> I know that those of us who look at URLs and even are bold enough to
> manipulate URLs are not the majority of users. But that's no reason to
> keep the current URLs verses my opaque URLs. If there are reasons to
> keep the current scheme verses my idea, fine. But I don't buy this
> Thanks.
> Jimmie
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