[Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?

Sebastian Sastre ssastre at seaswork.com
Tue Apr 29 19:31:51 UTC 2008

I'm sure you know an open community has limited resources and mostly based on
good will and volunteering. Also casual convergence of interests can create
oportunities of cooperation. Seaside is an artifact, among many others, built on
that kind of basis.
If you have concrete facts to support complains about the quality of the support
service you receive, say here by mail or any comunication channel, electronic or
not, please expose them so they can be discussed with clarity. You can ask for
more quality of that service but, as you are informed, you must remember its
basis. If you are not satisfied with that I'm sure you can contact professionals
who are most interested in being contracted by you for a fair price so they can
give its bests to colaborate for your success.
Instrospection is great but is not the silver bullet to all our problems.
Internet is the cruth to factorize geography so what? Casual chats can make,
anybody willing to learn to receive or to provide help, to assimilate lots of
new informations of great quality in cool interpersonal interactions and in very
short time. Is a matter of willing to create an ambient for that going with what
we have and we can't create an ambient like that with a conditioning attitude.
So the question in the air is: are we capable of making this a valuable part of
the Seaside experience? 
Sebastian Sastre



De: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Steve Wart
Enviado el: Martes, 29 de Abril de 2008 12:17
Para: Seaside - general discussion
Asunto: Re: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?

Okay I'll delurk - as someone who's on irc a lot and was asking this question in
the channel just the other day, also as someone who knows very little about
seaside but actively playing with the non-squeak variants.

Last time I checked there were 2 of us in the #seaside channel on
irc.freenode.net (mid-morning UK time). The #squeak channel was much more
populated and the consensus there was the traffic was low enough that they'd be
happy to answer seaside questions for any dialect of Smalltalk (the
irc.parcplace.net channels are also very useful).

I don't mind which channel offers support, but if you are going to advertise it,
please be prepared to support it. If I'm there I can give long-winded war
story-type responses about VisualWorks and GemStone but I'm not going to offer
anything sensible about the best way to structure a seaside application.

I love IRC, it's great for community, but I also see it as a crutch. Better to
take the time to think about your question and your responses and post it on the
mailing list. Chances are you'll figure it out for yourself, or at least make
some decent progress before asking.


On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, cdrick <cdrick65 at gmail.com> wrote:

choosing a compromise as Philippe proposed is enough for now I think...
saying that the seaside channel is quite new and that for historical
reasons, you're still more likely to find help on squeak

my 2 cents...


ps: is the seaside channel logged as I know squeak
is...http://ircbrowse.com/index.html. Just a question of a bot ?

2008/4/29 Sebastian Sastre <ssastre at seaswork.com>:

> > >  Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on
>  > seaside is not
>  > > relevant to the point or tot the request.
>  >
>  > Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only thing
>  > that matters to you is how likely you're getting the help you need.
>  >
>  > That doesn't mean we can't mention it but we should surely point out
>  > that currently #squeak is the first place you go.
>  >
>  > Cheers
>  > Philippe
>  >
>  No, is not the point. Unless, of course, you want, for some reason, to
preserve confusion and misleading. Besides not all seasiders are squeakers, the
likely to found help on #css in the #javascript channel has nothing to do with
preserving its separation of concerns.
>  Do we have a trend to try to innovate unnecessarily? even to the point of
starting to detriment comunication or preventing its improvment? Can we review
how clear is this point for the good of the community?
>  Sebastian
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