[Seaside] Re: Seaside memory consumption?

Miguel Cobá m.coba.m at gmail.com
Tue Apr 29 23:55:20 UTC 2008

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de> wrote:

> Philippe Marschall wrote:
> > Honestly this is a very hard question that probably only marketing
> > developments can answer seriously (JEE is twice as fast as .Net). If
> > have seen such numbers for no web framework. There are so many free
> > variables. How have active users, what session lifetime, how active
> > are they, do they come in bursts, how complicated is your site, what
> > image do you have, which VM, which GC settings, which patches, which
> > OS, which CPU, .... . Out of the blue I would say Seaside and Magritte
> > are probably the most memory hungry choices you can make. Lots of
> > classes, lots of objects, lots of block contexts, .... Having that
> > said I know of no one who has run into memory problems with Seaside /
> > Magritte but this means very little. In general persistence is often
> > bottleneck. As you run code besides it I doubt any numbers would be
> > applicable to you.
> >
> I fully understand the number of variables in the setup so what I'm
> looking for is whether anyone has experimented with -say- running Seaside
> inside a 128MB environment for a given site and load factor and what their
> experiences were. For example, what does a small Pier deployment require?
> (IIRC, it is built on top of Magritte so this may be the closest in kind)

I had my app running from a VPS with just 256MB RAM. Of course after the OS,
apache, mysql, it lefted just 100MB or so. It was just imposible to work. So
I upgraded to 512MB RAM and all was running ok for days without problems
with my app.


The image virtual memory grew and grew until took the entire remaining RAM
to the point that I couldn't login with ssh. Not memory for forking a ssh
procces was left. I had to restart the server to take control of it (the
image didn't started automatically). I found an option for the squeakvm to
limit the max memory available (it is not available because if the images
need more memory it will begin to swap and will be slow, but men, it
After reboot, I was left with 350 MB free before running my image. So I
started the image with

squeakvm -mmap 300m -headless deploy.image

so the squeak used at most 300 mb and the os had 50 MB for ssh logins.

Also, I changed Apache for lighttpd with fastcgi so to reduce the RAM

Miguel Cobá

>  In general people who come up with such questions have an idea about
> > the load they'll face or have to support so they can write tests.
> >
> Yes, I certainly do (it'd be in the range of 1-2 man-hours of use a day,
> basically filling in a bunch of forms and running a few reports mostly by a
> single user). But I'm not going to run a big test suite for something that
> is supposed to be a very small application. I just want to make sure I'm not
> going to screw up the production app by running Seaside next to it.
>  What
> > > about memory consumption of Seaside apps that run for several months
> > > without
> > > restart (session cleanup etc)?
> > >
> >
> > Session cleanup happens even without restarts. If you run the
> > WeakDictionary patches of Martin van Löws (I hope I got the name
> > right) you can override SeasidePlatformSupport class >>
> > #weakDictionaryOfSize: which should release sessions earlier. I have
> > seen images that run without troubles for months and images that have
> > trouble staying up for more than a few days.
> >
> Thanks, that's good to know, too. Where are these patches?
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas
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