[Seaside] Starting out

Sebastian Sastre ssastre at seaswork.com
Wed Dec 17 20:33:28 UTC 2008

OK Michael but please understand the fact this community has to prioritize its
limited resources. 
Seaside is a fundation to do lots of things. Widgets are just the "skin of the
I don't want core developer team members to worry about widgets. I want them on
scalability, architecture, robustness, security, etc.
Investing on widgets should not be for Seaside itself but for pieces of software
build on top of it. You are free to make your own widgets. 
Every web app has its goals in terms of usability and fortunately for users
(which are real persons) information can usually be presented to them in ways
which has more meaning than tables when some criterious design is applied.
Regardeless of the technology of your choice, if you don't know much about html,
javascript, css, ajax, etc. and don't want to spend *a lot* of time with those,
think again about messing with web apps at all.

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> [mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre 
> de Michael Atkisson
> Enviado el: Miercoles, 17 de Diciembre de 2008 17:15
> Para: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Asunto: [Seaside] Starting out
> Imagine you are a business programmer, although you have heard of this
> exciting new environment called Seaside. 
> You would like to create forms that operate like the ones you 
> do at work
> such as in Oracle Forms.  On further investigation, perhaps you manage
> to make it through the tutorials. But when you go to do 
> something real,
> behold you discover that some of the most basic components such 
> displaying a datagrid from rows in a table are missing.  
> Something that 
> you probablydo on at least 50% of your forms in Oracle
> Next you read the mailing list to see if anyone has a solution to the
> problem. You discover that some people are decidely against putting 
> anything like that in the core because of their purist inclinations.
> Others are simply say to go learn one of the javascript libraries
> and do it that way. This is also a dilema as you don't know which one
> would be good and this stuff isn't all that understandable to you.
> You don't know much about html, javascript, css, ajax, etc. and you 
> probably don't want to spend a year figuring it all out.
> All you want to do is solve problems like the ones you have at work in
> as straightforward a way as possible.
> How much further do you think that person is likely to go?
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