[Seaside] Starting out

James Robertson jrobertson at cincom.com
Thu Dec 18 00:46:44 UTC 2008

I think the Seaside core developers are concentrating on the right  
thing.  The kinds of things you're looking for are being addressed by  

-- Cincom with Web Velocity
-- Gemstone with GLASS
-- Heeg with SeaBreeze

Bear in mind that Oracle Forms is a commercial product built by a  
vendor, so it's not a surprise that Seaside should have a split  
between core and value add.

James Robertson
Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist
Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library

On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Michael Atkisson wrote:

> Imagine you are a business programmer, although you have heard of this
> exciting new environment called Seaside.
> You would like to create forms that operate like the ones you do at  
> work
> such as in Oracle Forms.  On further investigation, perhaps you manage
> to make it through the tutorials. But when you go to do something  
> real,
> behold you discover that some of the most basic components such
> displaying a datagrid from rows in a table are missing.  Something  
> that
> you probablydo on at least 50% of your forms in Oracle
> Next you read the mailing list to see if anyone has a solution to the
> problem. You discover that some people are decidely against putting
> anything like that in the core because of their purist inclinations.
> Others are simply say to go learn one of the javascript libraries
> and do it that way. This is also a dilema as you don't know which one
> would be good and this stuff isn't all that understandable to you.
> You don't know much about html, javascript, css, ajax, etc. and you
> probably don't want to spend a year figuring it all out.
> All you want to do is solve problems like the ones you have at work in
> as straightforward a way as possible.
> How much further do you think that person is likely to go?
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