[Seaside] Re: Are Collections threadsafe?
philippe.marschall at gmail.com
Wed Feb 27 07:33:54 UTC 2008
2008/2/27, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
> Philippe Marschall wrote:
> >> Once you have gathered all that information, post it to Squeak-dev.
> >> There are actually people out there who care about it. They just don't
> >> care very much about editorial comments of the form "TEH SQUEAK SUCKZ!".
> >> If you want a solution, then provide the input that helps other people
> >> resolving your problem. The short form of that equation is:
> >> complaints == no data
> >> no data == no solution
> >> And if you keep this in mind (and your frustration to a minimum) you
> >> will likely find that *with* data the probability of actually fixing
> >> your problems goes up dramatically.
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123045.html
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123508.html
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123498.html
> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here
That we are not uncooperative, don't give out any information and
simply post "SQUEAK IS TEH SUX"
> but this is actually
> a great example for what I mean. Lukas gave meaningful information in
> this exchange and as a result we developed a couple of theories and
> disproved them based on available evidence:
> I'm not claiming that you will *always* get to a result that satisfies
> your needs but the above is a great example for the kind of discourse
> that you can engage in when you provide some actual data. Also, I think
> we both learned something in this exchange which is where the real value
> lies - if I ever happen to run into a similar situation the data that
> Lukas gave will definitely be helpful in tracking this down. And don't
> worry, we'll get to it but these are hard problems and I think we simply
> haven't got enough data to determine the root cause of the problem. So
> if you have more evidence, please share it and please don't be shy to
> post repeatedly because that's what is needed to fix it.
> - Andreas
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