[Seaside] Re: Are Collections threadsafe?

Philippe Marschall philippe.marschall at gmail.com
Wed Feb 27 07:33:54 UTC 2008

2008/2/27, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
> Philippe Marschall wrote:
>  >>  Once you have gathered all that information, post it to Squeak-dev.
>  >>  There are actually people out there who care about it. They just don't
>  >>  care very much about editorial comments of the form "TEH SQUEAK SUCKZ!".
>  >>  If you want a solution, then provide the input that helps other people
>  >>  resolving your problem. The short form of that equation is:
>  >>    complaints == no data
>  >>    no data == no solution
>  >>  And if you keep this in mind (and your frustration to a minimum) you
>  >>  will likely find that *with* data the probability of actually fixing
>  >>  your problems goes up dramatically.
>  >
>  > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123045.html
>  > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123508.html
>  > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123498.html
> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here

That we are not uncooperative, don't give out any information and
simply post "SQUEAK IS TEH SUX"


> but this is actually
>  a great example for what I mean. Lukas gave meaningful information in
>  this exchange and as a result we developed a couple of theories and
>  disproved them based on available evidence:
>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123047.html
>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123499.html
>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-December/123511.html
>  I'm not claiming that you will *always* get to a result that satisfies
>  your needs but the above is a great example for the kind of discourse
>  that you can engage in when you provide some actual data. Also, I think
>  we both learned something in this exchange which is where the real value
>  lies - if I ever happen to run into a similar situation the data that
>  Lukas gave will definitely be helpful in tracking this down. And don't
>  worry, we'll get to it but these are hard problems and I think we simply
>  haven't got enough data to determine the root cause of the problem. So
>  if you have more evidence, please share it and please don't be shy to
>  post repeatedly because that's what is needed to fix it.
>  Cheers,
>    - Andreas
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