[Seaside] Re: Ideas worth stealing

[Esteban Lorenzano]

Maybe is time to start thinking in a "Seaside full stack"?

I think there are some tasks we (as a community) should do for enforce 
seaside adoption, that does not belong to seaside it self, but would be 
cool to have.

I think we need to cover:
- Persistence for the Seaside (maybe a "Coral" project?)
I think this as an abstraction layer with you can choose between a 
magma solution and a glorp solution.
- Integration for the Seaside ("FlyingFish", "Shipyard"?)
an abstraction layer to publicate and consume web services (awful but 
necesary for productive applications) and maybe another and coolest 
integration ways, such as hessian.
- And of course, a "Describe it all" ("Voyage"?)
based on magritte, we should provide a way to do all of this in a clean 
and elegant way.

What do you think?

On 2008-06-02 03:45:50 -0300, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse at free.fr> said:

> So may be we should really do a call for a bounty:
> 	if we all put a bit of money and ESUG is pushing then we should
> 	be able to create something.
> 	I imagine that ESUG could put around 2500 Euros to start.
> 
> Stef
> 
> 
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Edward Stow wrote:
> 
>>> A VERY common problem one finds on the web is the desire to have an  instant
>>> community website with forums, a blog, some static content  (marketing info
>>> or instructional manuals) and a little store to charge money for  things.
>>> Google 'integrate phpbb wordpress' to get a feel for how many  people want to
>>> do this.
>>> 
>> I find myself also needing these features.
>> 
>> Currently I have a fledgling application that has a major google  maps
>> component and requires  features typical in a community based site:
>> user administration, forums, messages, comments etc.  Plus a small
>> amount of server side code to manage the maps.
>> 
>> Unfortunately Pier does not contain the extensive feature set
>> available in many OS forum projects.  Currently under consideration is
>> Vanila http://getvanilla.com/
>> 
>> My client would prefer to use MySql,  and as much as it may be derided
>> as an RDBMS,  for 95% of  projects it is good enough. It is the
>> defacto standard server side dbms.  Squeak must learn how to play well
>> with MySql to be considered in the mix of open source solutions.
>> 
>> I haven't as yet written Seaside out of the picture, and I personally
>> love using smalltalk, but also need to write applications with the
>> best available and feature rich components and just now Seaside is not
>> hitting the mark.
>> 
>> --
>> Edward Stow
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