[Seaside] The Weekly Squeak Summary No. 17: Jan 13 - Mar 22, 2008

Ron Teitelbaum Ron at USMedRec.com
Fri Mar 28 03:35:51 UTC 2008

> From: Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez
> Giovanni Corriga wrote:
> > Philippe Marschall ha scritto:
> >> 2008/3/24, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>:
> >>> Hi Philippe,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
> >>>  <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following lists:
> >>>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
> >>>  before. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was
> >>> kicked off.
> >>
> >> Very well but the news team does not run this list. We would
> >> appreciate it if we could keep the mails on this list about Seaside.
> >> People with an interest in Squeak can subscribe one of the mentioned
> >> lists or read the Weekly Squeak.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hi Philippe,
> >
> > the decision for sending this summaries to the Seaside list goes back to
> > when Seaside was pretty much a Squeak-only framework. I remember asking
> > the mantainer of this list (at the time, it was Avi) for permission to
> > send the announcements. Noone ever complained before. Do people now feel
> > that's not appropriate anymore?
> >
> Of course it is apropriate.
> I think that Seaside is an entry point to Smalltalk in general and to
> the Squeak world in particular. So, if people are comming to smalltalk
> by means of Seaside, this kind of messages can show the other
> *interesting* things that are part of the squeak world. We have to
> remember that Seaside is just a part of a bigger set of technologies
> and, the more people know about them, the better for us.
> It is very difficult already to convince *enterprises* to use
> alternatives to java/php/.net, but if we can reach a critical user base,
> as the ruby on rails did for ruby, we can have a better chance to bring
> this technologies to them.
> By not allowing the spread of information like the squeak new are trying
> to do, we are just working agaist this goal.
> So I vote to allow and to contribute to the spread information by this
> and another means.
> Cheers,
> Miguel Cobá

I'm glad somebody finally said something.  I was just going to let this go
figuring if nobody says anything than I guess it doesn't really matter.

I was personally offended by Philippe comment.  It is really hard for me to
believe that after all the work I put into trying to keep Seaside in the
news that this community would deny us the opportunity to promote the Weekly
Squeak on the mailing list.

I think that if Seaside doesn't value our promotion enough to help us in
return, that's fine, we can just go away.  Although I'm not the Team Lead
anymore, so I really shouldn't be speaking for the team.  Still I take this
as a personal attack, and I am offended.

Ron Teitelbaum
News Team Member

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