[Seaside] Question on using Toothpick - the logging tool

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sun Mar 30 16:03:56 UTC 2008

Thanks for the explanation.
This is cool to get all the code in SqueakSource. So may be somebody  
should fix the bug mentioned.

On Mar 30, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:

> Hi,
> Stephane wrote
>> I do not know who ported toothpick to squeak
> This answer is easy. Joseph originally provided a Squeak port on the
> Toothpick side [1] beside others (VW, VAST, ...)
> Joseph wrote:
>> I don't know anything about the Squeak port of toothpick and
>> its' problems. I've NEVER been contacted by anyone about it
> Maybe I can bring some light into the issue here:
> After Joseph announced Toothpick in 2006 I tried the first
> Squeak version which was available from his project website [1].
> This version was packaged as change sets and provided as a
> simple ZIP (and it looks like the site still contains this changeset
> filout from Squeak3.8 in 2005). Maybe Joseph used his famous
> Rosetta project to create it.
> Since I know Joseph personally from 1st CampST and our Smallscript
> work I contacted him via mail to get permission to convert the
> Squeak code into Monticello format and make it also available
> on Squeaksource [2] and Squeakmap [3]. This would allow people
> to easily download and use his code using the newer packaging
> systems like SqueakMap package loading and monticello versioning.
> I also created a wiki page [4].
> I was glad he gave me the permission (via mail) to do so - so I
> just converted the code to Monticello format and registered
> the projects on SqMap and SqSource so it can be easily accessed
> by the Squeak community directly from within the squeak image.
> (That's like importing code into Store to make an old style changeset
> more accessible to VisualWorks users).
> The code is still under Josephs BSD license and he is clearly
> stated as original author [3].
> After that I announced it on squeak-dev mailinglist [5] clearly
> saying that it's from Joseph and is now available as Monticello
> package for future contributions and since it is available
> for various Smalltalks any further contribution should not be limited
> to Squeak. (Joseph got a CC of this announcement).
> So there is no other port beside the one Joseph provided on
> the toothpick side [1] - but now also available in Monticello
> format.
> Meanwhile nobody ever contributed so far - so the code is
> still the same as provided by him.
> The SqueakMap repository is open to public so Joseph as well
> as others are able to move the the project forward. But make
> sure to contact Joseph directly since he may not read any of
> the squeak mailing lists.
> This would also make sure that not only the Squeak side of
> Toothpick evolve but Joseph is also able to integrate
> fixes and enhancements into the general framework.
> Bye
> Torsten
> [1] http://www.metaprog.com/Toothpick/download.html
> [2] http://www.squeaksource.com/Toothpick.html
> [3] http://map.squeak.org/package/7d86c15c-4c18-47c8-846f-717d4fb06046
> [4] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5890
> [5] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-November/110924.html
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