[Seaside] how much introduction?

[stephane ducasse]

On Oct 29, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Taun wrote:

> I think the real point Philippe made is a good one. It is not good  
> for the Squeak/Smalltalk community to point a new user to an alpha  
> product. The new user should be pointed to a stable functional  
> platform so they can concentrate on learning the language not the  
> platform bugs.

Come on we are a good group of people using pharo daily and it has  
less bugs than squeak.
I know since I harvested the fixes.

> Philippe's example of breakage was an example for why Pharo might  
> not be good for Sergio.

I think that this is not true.
Do you think that a newcomer is not overhlem by the squeak menu!


> As an additional example, I was using Pharo the other day and while  
> testing one of my models, I discovered #timesRepeat: was broken.

I would be really amazed that timesRepeat: would be broken in pharo.
Can you tell us, which version and how to reproduce that?


> Imagine Sergio running some simple sample code loops and getting the  
> wrong answer. What is that going to do to his newly forming opinion  
> of Squeak?
>
> Again, these are not criticisms of Pharo, simply reasons why Pharo  
> might not be the right tool for a beginning Squeak/Seaside user.

I would argue the inverse: Take soon the one click image with the new  
browser of david and the clean menu.
Pharo will have much more tests than any squeak distro.
Pharo contains far less broken code than 3.9 or 3.10.

After the point is that we are working on it so when you update you  
can get some glitches.
But even with that I think that this is better than 3.9.

Stef

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>
> Taun
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Lienhard" <adi at netstyle.ch>
> To: "Seaside - general discussion"  
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> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:45:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
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> Subject: Re: [Seaside] how much introduction?
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> Pharo currently is in alpha, so its surprising you expect it to be
> free of bugs. We are making a lot of progress, so sometimes a change
> breaks some unexpected functionality. Usually, though, this is fixed
> within few days. We will soon go to beta and then produce a release
> that is going to be maintained. That's where you can expect stability.
>
> Adrian
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 17:25 , Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
>> 2008/10/27 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse at free.fr>:
>>> Hi sergio
>>>
>>> when you will be fit on the syntax and the environment. I suggest
>>> you to
>>> take
>>> the pharo image since it is really starting to get cleaner and
>>> cleaner.
>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/
>>
>> I don't want to bash any of you but I have had some really bad
>> experiences with Pharo. Stuff like ClassBuilder exploding in my face
>> and OmniBrowser not working.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Philippe
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