[Seaside] A new critical blog discussing Seaside - Comment my blog

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Right, I fully agree!

Everybody is cordially invited to comment on my blog!

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> Datum: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:41:19 +0200
> Von: Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com>
> An: Seaside - general discussion <seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Betreff: Re: [Seaside] A new critical blog discussing Seaside - @Avi Bryant

> Could settle for discussing this either on the blog on or the list?
> 
> Cheers
> Philippe
> 
> 2009/4/18  <TheSmalltalkBlog at gmx.ch>:
> > My answer is on my blog!
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:56:40 -0700
> >> Von: Avi Bryant <avi at dabbledb.com>
> >> An: Seaside - general discussion <seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> >> Betreff: Re: [Seaside] A new critical blog discussing Seaside - now
> concrete  proposals
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM,  <TheSmalltalkBlog at gmx.ch> wrote:
> >> > I have added some first concrete proposals to my new critical blog on
> >> Seaside: http://thesmalltalkblog.blogspot.com
> >> >
> >> > May I also propose to get away from these personal and emotional
> >> discussions here and to advance to some proper work. I have started
> with my
> >> proposals on my blog.
> >>
> >> Great.  Let's look at them.
> >>
> >> The first post I come to is "Proposal 3: Stick to Smalltalk naming
> >> conventions".
> >>
> >> Some excerpts:
> >>
> >> "One of the most commonly used and undisputed convention says that a
> >> factory method, which creates a new instance, should start with the
> >> word "new".
> >>
> >> This common convention is consistently ignored in Seaside!
> >>
> >> This is very very bad style! Absolutely amateurish and far away from
> >> "engineering"!
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Why the hell can't you adhere to what the great majority of
> >> Smalltalkers has been successfully doing for more than 25 years?!
> >>
> >> Therefore, I strongly urge you to finally adhere to what is commonly
> >> regarded as Smalltalk convention! You are definitely not any cleverer
> >> or better than the forefathers of Smalltalk at PARC (and, of course,
> >> neither am I)! You are most likely some bright but rather young guys
> >> with little experience. "
> >>
> >> Gee.  I better go and look at some of those 25 year old classes to see
> >> what conventions, in fact, the forefathers at PARC were using.  Let's
> >> look in Squeak, which is the closest modern equivalent to the original
> >> Smalltalks.
> >>
> >> Point's factory method is #x:y: .  No "new" there.  Amateurish, I
> >> guess.  But maybe it's an isolated case.
> >>
> >> How about Association?  I see #key:value:.  Still no "new"; I guess
> >> the forefathers were having an off day.
> >>
> >> Here's one on Fraction: #numerator:denominator:.  The initials on that
> >> one look familiar: "di".  Never mind, though, Dan Ingalls is probably
> >> some bright young guy with little experience.  Maybe you should set
> >> him straight?
> >>
> >> Avi
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