[Seaside] Re: Naplo Debugger

[Sebastian Sastre]

Guys, try to think in the social experience of programming. 

And then not only in programming but smalltalk programming which is a waaaaaay more anthropologic way to use computers. Usually ancient Greeks have a name for everything.

As example observe git-hub. Is a great brand because embraced social coding to make a great product (which basically consist in a neat UI) but they did it at a source level. Which is okay for most developers.

With social coding for smalltalk things can be in a whole new level.

With this we can do it not at the source level (because we can have a git-hub client for pharo for that) but at running-code level, including debugging the code online in the web.

If you don't think that would be f* cool, think on the aww of the audiences when you give a workshop with that beast

sebastian

o/




On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Christian Eduardo Palomares Peralta wrote:


> That sounds really interesting. Do you know the name of the project???Maybe it can serve me as a guide =)
> 
> 2010/12/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>
> Nick is on Holidays now (cc'ed), but he is working on a remote debugger. So you can connect to a "production" image, that can be even a robot, and then, from your host machine, you can debug it. He even did an inteface in Seaside.....anyway, he has just started his PhD but I think it may be related at some point to your work.
> 
> cheers
> 
> mariano
> 
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi at netstyle.ch> wrote:
> Hi Christian,
> 
> That's cool!
> 
> My main objective for such a debugger is to be able to run kernel images that do not come with a GUI, but at the same time to be able to debug and inspect the objects as you would with VNC. I imagine that when there is an error you get a mail with an URL that directly opens the Naplo debugger for that exception (of course you want to make that secure either ssh-tunneling into your server or using https and a login). So in comparison to using VNC you would gain (also for headful images) the possibility to debug errors that appear in production where so far you had to resort to reading the stacktrace you got by mail. That would be a big productivity win!
> 
> What I miss in its current state is a way to inspect/explore objects and evaluate code.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adrian
> 
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> On Dec 17, 2010, at 14:57 , Christian Eduardo Palomares Peralta wrote:
> 
> > Hi seaside community
> > My name is Christian Palomares, I am a student at the University of Chile
> >
> > For the last two months I've been working on a project called Naplo, It's
> > about to bring the classic debugger (i.e. Pharo debugger) to the web
> > interface, of this way you will can debug, fix a bug, and most of the
> > functionalities  of the classic debugger from the web interface.
> >
> > In this project i receive a big support of Alexandre Bergel and
> > Lukas Renggli, they supported me to finish the alfa version of Naplo.
> > Now i need some help of the seaside community, because we need some testers
> > of Naplo who want to use it for their projects, of this way we can find some
> > bugs in a realistic scenario.
> >
> > You will found the Naplo package on
> > http://www.squeaksource.com/NaploDebugger.html It comes with tests and loads
> > in a Seaside image. Adrian, since this is your idea, can you comment on
> > this?
> >
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