[Seaside] Sending e-mails
Nevin Pratt
nevin at bountifulbaby.com
Wed May 5 16:06:58 UTC 2010
Julian
We used to do that with our Bountiful Baby email. It works fine.
However, it was still flagged as spam for some of our customers, because
their email systems noticed that we relayed from a mail server (our
local sendmail) on through yet another mail server (the ISP's), and the
emails were flagged as suspicious because of that.
Before doing the above, we used to rely solely on our own SMTP server
and not relay through the ISP, but then some of the email was flagged as
spam I *think* because our SMTP server wasn't a well-known server at the
time (which is why we started relaying through the ISP's server).
We've never found a completely "fool-proof" solution. Some percentage
of the outgoing emails is always going to be flagged as spam, no matter
what. The trick is to pick the solution that results in the least spam
flags. And it's not easy.
I've now gone back to just using our own SMTP server, rather than
relaying through the ISP, for emails that are sent directly from our
website, and relaying through the ISP for all the rest. Now that
Bountiful Baby isn't a completely unknown company, I'm thinking that's
going to work out to be the best now. But I'm not sure, and it's still
being tested. And, things seem to always change out from under us, so
what works best today might not work best tomorrow.
But otherwise I think I would agree with you, and do it the way you
suggest. At least as a starting point.
Nevin
> Configure sendmail to listen only on localhost and forward mail to
> your ISP's SMTP server. This is likely what I would use in a deployed
> environment.
>
> Julian
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:53 AM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com
> <mailto:tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Okay, this is what I found so far (example in SMTPClient):
>
> self deliverMailFrom: 'm.rueger at acm.org <mailto:m.rueger at acm.org>'
> to: #('m.rueger at acm.org <mailto:m.rueger at acm.org>') text:
> 'Subject: this is a test
>
> Hello from Pharo!
> ' usingServer: 'smtp.concentric.net <http://smtp.concentric.net>'
>
> I tried that using my own smtp server, but it requires
> authentication and doesn't let the e-mail go through. If I try it
> with a local sendmail daemon, my guess is that the message is
> gonna end up in the spam folder of most people... I remember at
> university we had this exercises consisting on sending e-mails
> through sendmail and straight via telnet, and they would end up
> classified as spam, I'm not sure whether this is the same case tho...
>
> Does someone have further information on that patch that allows
> authentication?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> 2010/5/5 Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com <mailto:renggli at gmail.com>>
>
> Not necessarily, you can connect to any SMTP server. I am not
> sure if
> authentication is built in nowadays, but there was a patch
> floating
> around that would add it.
>
> Lukas
>
> On 5 May 2010 08:19, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com
> <mailto:tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I'm on Pharo 1.0, been checking SMTPClient, but it still
> looks like it needs
> > sendmail to be running in the system, or I may totally be
> missunderstanding
> > the way it works, which is a very plausible option
> possibility...
> >
> > 2010/5/5 Lukas Renggli <renggli at gmail.com
> <mailto:renggli at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> Seaside does not provide an SMTP library, but most
> Smalltalk dialects
> >> do. On which Smalltalk are you?
> >>
> >> Lukas
> >>
> >> On 5 May 2010 07:21, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com
> <mailto:tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to know what's the best way to send e-mails from
> a seaside app,
> >> > so
> >> > far I've read about some Smalltalk SMTP library, using
> unix sendmail or
> >> > sendEmail.
> >> >
> >> > sendEmail sounds like the easiest method, but I don't
> like depending on
> >> > external tools...
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions, tips? Any howtos around?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Bernat Romagosa.
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