[Seaside] social coding for smalltalk (was Re: [squeak-dev] Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource AND SmalltalkHub down)

[Sebastian Sastre]

yeah, but isn't "a startup thing" either.

It's all about sending the right message: proving to "them" we are connected in a way everybody (specially them) will find friendly and familiar.






On Apr 20, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:

> It seems very reasonable what you wrote, only that I'm mostly using
> Pharo/Squeak and then not very aware about socializing code in other
> tools.
> 
> But if I change my hat of Smalltalk developer by the one of a startup
> entrepreneur I can understand what you are saying because this sort of
> socialization of code is were other communities are doing efforts
> (python, ruby, as I saw).
> 
> Even when my main motivation (at the beginning of this thread) was
> about an own repo for my own needs, I understand that for open
> projects your point is important. And for not open, I saw that Git
> itself is open (is what I remembered form Linus).
> 
> Exist some other tool (open) as GitHub using Git?
> 
> GitHub is the "de facto" site were the most sharing of code is
> happening in these days?
> 
> Cheers.
> Germán.
> 
> 
> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <sebastian at flowingconcept.com>:
>> Sort of... clarifying:
>> 
>> 1. not being at all where people is, is actually an issue (from the social POV is a primary issue, from the technical POV is a secondary issue) and
>> 2. commenting at method level is an issue (because we are inefficient in "using society" to help code in projects get better (also to convert newcomers easier)).
>> 
>> If the code isn't exposed (visible in the UI) then we are not socializing code.
>> 
>> Which leads to this question:
>> 
>> If we aren't socializing code in a world that is
>> 1. getting more social (at near-light-speed) and
>> 2. more connected (faster than light)...
>> 
>> then how you can say (and keep your face straight) that you are "inventing the future"?
>> 
>> You are not. Not one the world is clearly demanding (so you'll not have an expanding market, you'll have a shrinking market)
>> 
>> It's only me that see things like this here?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry with my lack of knowledgment, but all this is not SmalltalkHub?
>>> Or the difference you are pointing is that is not integrated with the
>>> rest of people/languages as in Github?
>>> 
>>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <sebastian at flowingconcept.com>:
>>>> "... if ... could store
>>>> meaningfully into the git repo, that could help wih visibility of
>>>> Smalltalk a lot."
>>>> 
>>>> Not only visibility because is were the people is but because you can comment code at method level in a social environment.
>>>> That makes all the difference. Lists, emails or commenting issues aren't helping on that.
>>>> Only the guys that one method to method side by side talking about things are having that experience.
>>>> That makes us slower (or more vulnerable to work faster in the wrong things.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <sebastian at flowingconcept.com>:
>>>>>>> Ok question:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> why don't why have (yet) something to save in something more known, say github?
>>>>>> 2. I largely prefer open source solutions that I can implement on my
>>>>>> own resources (hardware/datacenter). As far I saw Github is a sort of
>>>>>> cloud service and free only to some projects....Well I don't trust in
>>>>>> such sort of solutions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I prefer a complete solution I can manage from start to end and were I
>>>>>> don't depend of other companies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong but technically,  storing on git hub is just
>>>>> like storing in any other git repository, being it github, your
>>>>> notebook, or repo inside Mars rover.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not thougt this in depth, but if Monticello could store
>>>>> meaningfully into the git repo, that could help wih visibility of
>>>>> Smalltalk a lot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Davorin Rusevljan
>>>>> http://www.cloud208.com/
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