[Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?

Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs boris at deepcovelabs.com
Wed Feb 23 14:38:38 UTC 2011


Bob,

 

Could you clarify what you mean by different views of the same
information? Different components or simply different visual treatment?

 

-Boris

 

From: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Arning
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:35 AM
To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?

 

One question to ask is whether the site needs "a" new design or several.
I am of a minority less enamored with design/structure and more
interested in full understanding. Would Seaside make it possible to
support two radically different views of the same information without
needing to do twice the work?

Cheers,
Bob

P.S. I saw this today in a totally different context, but it seems
applicable here as well:

http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html



On 2/23/11 9:18 AM, Robert Sirois wrote: 

I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really need is
to get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in charge, and have a
little web get-together and discuss it? 

 

RS

________________________________

From: sebastian at flowingconcept.com
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300
To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org

"...As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better
design..."

 

All...

 

I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is deeper".

 

Actually our community in general needs better branding so marketing so
copywriting so design.

 

Of course that means a website with better design. But the issue is more
deep than retouching the website.

 

Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an opportunity for
Seaside.

 

It could be a chance to start showing people that smalltalkers don't
ignore design (and I don't mean in theory).

 

But the reality is that not much of a difference will happen unless we
boldly embrace design from the core (code) to the skin (UI).

 

Avi... 

 

if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared for the next
thing: people will start to make bold opinions about it (thinking they
know what they're talking about even if they aren't designers) and
having feedback is okay but, as you probably know, committees trying to
design horses end up delivering giraffes because democratically they
decided they're "improved"

 

If you think you can deal with that and make us look better, they I'm
curious already

 

sebastian <http://twitter.com/#%21/sebastianconcpt> 

 

o/

 

 

 

On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:

	 

	Julian,
	I'm willing to manage the website.
	Lately I have been working on a new design mockup for the
Seaside website. As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a
better design. Hope I'll get to it over the following week and send some
screenshots of it.
	
	Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for Seaside to which I
will dedicate some time after I finish some of the currently open
issues.
	
	
	Regards,
	Avi.

	On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell
<jfitzell at gmail.com> wrote:

	I think I've asked before, but this is a good time to ask again.
Is
	there anyone in the community who would be willing to volunteer
their
	services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have to involve
a lot
	of work (though I'd love someone to take on the challenge of
cleaning
	up the site organization), but mostly having responsibility for
making
	sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing an issue
if
	appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something about them.
We have
	a number of people in the community with permissions to update
the
	site, so some of the effort could just involve delegation to
them and
	then chasing them up.
	
	Julian

	
	On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan
<andyhasit at gmail.com> wrote:
	> Hello,
	>
	> I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most of what I need,
but have
	> noticed something on the website that needs fixed, not sure
where to
	> send this to as there is no "webmaster contact" bit, so
thought I'd
	> post it here:
	>
	> -------------------
	>
	> On page: "http://www.seaside.st/documentation"   the menu link
to
	> "applications" brings you to the page on "debugging"...
	>
	> Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:
	>
	> http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30
	> http://www.seaside.st/seaside30
	>
	> Could both do with being dated, especially as Seaside is one
of those
	> things that people might try, leave, and come back to in a few
months
	> to see if anything has changed, and won't remember what
version they
	> downloaded.
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