[Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Bob Arning
arning at charm.net
Wed Feb 23 15:10:22 UTC 2011
Hmm... does it necessarily take double the maintenance or can Seaside
bring the scale factor closer to 1x than 2x?
General question: how can one take a look at the code behind the site?
Is that downloadable somethere? Perhaps this would provide the leverage
for exploring alternate solutions.
Cheers,
Bob
On 2/23/11 9:54 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote:
>
> I have to say it's uncommon to have sites present multiple treatments
> and letting users choose one they prefer as it leads to double the
> maintenance and all kinds of other issues. If the structure of the
> site is to your satisfaction, you can easily adjust the look of it
> with existing extensions or custom stylesheet in your browser.
>
> -Boris
>
> *From:*seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> [mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob
> Arning
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:51 AM
> *To:* seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
>
> Both.
>
> Different components, e.g., might support linear vs. hypertext. I
> often want to know whether I've read everything available (like a
> book) and that can be quite hard when the data is in some fairly
> complex tree structure. So, if there are N possible pages on the site,
> can they be viewed either as a book (perhaps chunked into chapters,
> but with a clear first and last) or as a tree of arbitrary depth and
> cross/cyclical linking.
>
> Different visuals: as your email and mine implicitly illustrate, some
> folks like serifs, some do not. Can a site make that accommodation in
> a pleasing way?
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> On 2/23/11 9:38 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> Could you clarify what you mean by different views of the same
> information? Different components or simply different visual treatment?
>
> -Boris
>
> *From:*seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> <mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> [mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob
> Arning
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:35 AM
> *To:* seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> <mailto:seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
>
> One question to ask is whether the site needs "a" new design or
> several. I am of a minority less enamored with design/structure and
> more interested in full understanding. Would Seaside make it possible
> to support two radically different views of the same information
> without needing to do twice the work?
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> P.S. I saw this today in a totally different context, but it seems
> applicable here as well:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html
>
>
>
> On 2/23/11 9:18 AM, Robert Sirois wrote:
>
> I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really need
> is to get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in charge, and
> have a little web get-together and discuss it?
>
> RS
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: sebastian at flowingconcept.com <mailto:sebastian at flowingconcept.com>
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300
> To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> <mailto:seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>
> "...As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better design..."
>
> All...
>
> I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is deeper".
>
> Actually our community in general needs better branding so marketing
> so copywriting so design.
>
> Of course that means a website with better design. But the issue is
> more deep than retouching the website.
>
> Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an opportunity for
> Seaside.
>
> It could be a chance to start showing people that smalltalkers don't
> ignore design (and I don't mean in theory).
>
> But the reality is that not much of a difference will happen unless
> we boldly embrace design from the core (code) to the skin (UI).
>
> Avi...
>
> if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared for the
> next thing: people will start to make bold opinions about it (thinking
> they know what they're talking about even if they aren't designers)
> and having feedback is okay but, as you probably know, committees
> trying to design horses end up delivering giraffes because
> democratically they decided they're "improved"
>
> If you think you can deal with that and make us look better, they I'm
> curious already
>
> sebastian <http://twitter.com/#%21/sebastianconcpt>
>
> o/
>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:
>
> Julian,
> I'm willing to manage the website.
> Lately I have been working on a new design mockup for the Seaside
> website. As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a
> better design. Hope I'll get to it over the following week and
> send some screenshots of it.
>
> Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for Seaside to which I
> will dedicate some time after I finish some of the currently open
> issues.
>
>
> Regards,
> Avi.
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell
> <jfitzell at gmail.com <mailto:jfitzell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think I've asked before, but this is a good time to ask again. Is
> there anyone in the community who would be willing to volunteer their
> services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have to involve a lot
> of work (though I'd love someone to take on the challenge of cleaning
> up the site organization), but mostly having responsibility for making
> sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing an issue if
> appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something about them. We have
> a number of people in the community with permissions to update the
> site, so some of the effort could just involve delegation to them and
> then chasing them up.
>
> Julian
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan
> <andyhasit at gmail.com <mailto:andyhasit at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most of what I need,
> but have
> > noticed something on the website that needs fixed, not sure where to
> > send this to as there is no "webmaster contact" bit, so thought I'd
> > post it here:
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > On page: "http://www.seaside.st/documentation" the menu link to
> > "applications" brings you to the page on "debugging"...
> >
> > Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:
> >
> > http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30
> > http://www.seaside.st/seaside30
> >
> > Could both do with being dated, especially as Seaside is one of
> those
> > things that people might try, leave, and come back to in a few
> months
> > to see if anything has changed, and won't remember what version they
> > downloaded.
> >
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