[Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?

Wed Feb 23 15:10:57 UTC 2011

Guys,
I'm really glad to see this conversation taking place.

For some time now I'm trying to push my way around this small community. The
one thing that I've noticed is the fact that Seaside is missing vital
elements: tooling, community, design, branding - you name it.
I'd be happy to take this to a different level, and I'm willing to put
effort to it. I am aware of the fact that this might become demanding,
however I always keep in mind the following: Seaside is the best thing I've
come by for developing web applications in years. And I'm willing to spare
my time with it because I feel that I want to be part of it, and not just
another sidewalk developer (so to speak).

I find that ideas are simply flowing out of me regarding Seaside, and I will
be releasing some of these shortly.
I hope some of you will join these innovations.

p.s.: when I mentioned mockups, I was being modest regarding my intentions.
Seaside needs a branding effort, and this was my intention in the first
place.
Cheers,
Avi.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs <
boris at deepcovelabs.com> wrote:

> I have to say it’s uncommon to have sites present multiple treatments and
> letting users choose one they prefer as it leads to double the maintenance
> and all kinds of other issues. If the structure of the site is to your
> satisfaction, you can easily adjust the look of it with existing extensions
> or custom stylesheet in your browser.
>
>
>
> -Boris
>
>
>
> *From:* seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:
> seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Arning
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:51 AM
>
> *To:* seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
>
>
>
> Both.
>
> Different components, e.g., might support linear vs. hypertext. I often
> want to know whether I've read everything available (like a book) and that
> can be quite hard when the data is in some fairly complex tree structure.
> So, if there are N possible pages on the site, can they be viewed either as
> a book (perhaps chunked into chapters, but with a clear first and last) or
> as a tree of arbitrary depth and cross/cyclical linking.
>
> Different visuals: as your email and mine implicitly illustrate, some folks
> like serifs, some do not. Can a site make that accommodation in a pleasing
> way?
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> On 2/23/11 9:38 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> Could you clarify what you mean by different views of the same information?
> Different components or simply different visual treatment?
>
>
>
> -Boris
>
>
>
> *From:* seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [
> mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org<seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Bob Arning
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:35 AM
> *To:* seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
>
>
>
> One question to ask is whether the site needs "a" new design or several. I
> am of a minority less enamored with design/structure and more interested in
> full understanding. Would Seaside make it possible to support two radically
> different views of the same information without needing to do twice the
> work?
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> P.S. I saw this today in a totally different context, but it seems
> applicable here as well:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html
>
>
>
> On 2/23/11 9:18 AM, Robert Sirois wrote:
>
> I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really need is to
> get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in charge, and have a little
> web get-together and discuss it?
>
>
>
> RS
> ------------------------------
>
> From: sebastian at flowingconcept.com
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300
> To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>
> "...As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better design..."
>
>
>
> All...
>
>
>
> I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is deeper".
>
>
>
> Actually our community in general needs better branding so marketing so
> copywriting so design.
>
>
>
> Of course that means a website with better design. But the issue is more
> deep than retouching the website.
>
>
>
> Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an opportunity for
> Seaside.
>
>
>
> It could be a chance to start showing people that smalltalkers don't ignore
> design (and I don't mean in theory).
>
>
>
> But the reality is that not much of a difference will happen unless
> we boldly embrace design from the core (code) to the skin (UI).
>
>
>
> Avi...
>
>
>
> if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared for the next
> thing: people will start to make bold opinions about it (thinking they know
> what they're talking about even if they aren't designers) and having
> feedback is okay but, as you probably know, committees trying to design
> horses end up delivering giraffes because democratically they decided
> they're "improved"
>
>
>
> If you think you can deal with that and make us look better, they I'm
> curious already
>
>
>
> sebastian <http://twitter.com/#%21/sebastianconcpt>
>
>
>
> o/
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>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:
>
>
>
> Julian,
> I'm willing to manage the website.
> Lately I have been working on a new design mockup for the Seaside website.
> As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better design. Hope I'll
> get to it over the following week and send some screenshots of it.
>
> Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for Seaside to which I will
> dedicate some time after I finish some of the currently open issues.
>
>
> Regards,
> Avi.
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell <jfitzell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think I've asked before, but this is a good time to ask again. Is
> there anyone in the community who would be willing to volunteer their
> services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have to involve a lot
> of work (though I'd love someone to take on the challenge of cleaning
> up the site organization), but mostly having responsibility for making
> sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing an issue if
> appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something about them. We have
> a number of people in the community with permissions to update the
> site, so some of the effort could just involve delegation to them and
> then chasing them up.
>
> Julian
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan <andyhasit at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most of what I need, but have
> > noticed something on the website that needs fixed, not sure where to
> > send this to as there is no "webmaster contact" bit, so thought I'd
> > post it here:
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > On page: "http://www.seaside.st/documentation"   the menu link to
> > "applications" brings you to the page on "debugging"...
> >
> > Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:
> >
> > http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30
> > http://www.seaside.st/seaside30
> >
> > Could both do with being dated, especially as Seaside is one of those
> > things that people might try, leave, and come back to in a few months
> > to see if anything has changed, and won't remember what version they
> > downloaded.
> >
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