[Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs
boris at deepcovelabs.com
Wed Feb 23 15:23:35 UTC 2011
Bob,
That would largely depend on how close the 2 versions are, not much to
do with Seaside even. We maintain about 5 sets of stylesheets for
different brands of our application and every change/addition we make
involves at least thinking about all of them, which is already more work
than thinking about one ;)
-Boris
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[mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Arning
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:10 AM
To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Hmm... does it necessarily take double the maintenance or can Seaside
bring the scale factor closer to 1x than 2x?
General question: how can one take a look at the code behind the site?
Is that downloadable somethere? Perhaps this would provide the leverage
for exploring alternate solutions.
Cheers,
Bob
On 2/23/11 9:54 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote:
I have to say it's uncommon to have sites present multiple treatments
and letting users choose one they prefer as it leads to double the
maintenance and all kinds of other issues. If the structure of the site
is to your satisfaction, you can easily adjust the look of it with
existing extensions or custom stylesheet in your browser.
-Boris
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[mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Arning
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:51 AM
To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Both.
Different components, e.g., might support linear vs. hypertext. I often
want to know whether I've read everything available (like a book) and
that can be quite hard when the data is in some fairly complex tree
structure. So, if there are N possible pages on the site, can they be
viewed either as a book (perhaps chunked into chapters, but with a clear
first and last) or as a tree of arbitrary depth and cross/cyclical
linking.
Different visuals: as your email and mine implicitly illustrate, some
folks like serifs, some do not. Can a site make that accommodation in a
pleasing way?
Cheers,
Bob
On 2/23/11 9:38 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote:
Bob,
Could you clarify what you mean by different views of the same
information? Different components or simply different visual treatment?
-Boris
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[mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Arning
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:35 AM
To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
One question to ask is whether the site needs "a" new design or several.
I am of a minority less enamored with design/structure and more
interested in full understanding. Would Seaside make it possible to
support two radically different views of the same information without
needing to do twice the work?
Cheers,
Bob
P.S. I saw this today in a totally different context, but it seems
applicable here as well:
http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html
On 2/23/11 9:18 AM, Robert Sirois wrote:
I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really need is
to get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in charge, and have a
little web get-together and discuss it?
RS
________________________________
From: sebastian at flowingconcept.com
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300
To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
"...As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better
design..."
All...
I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is deeper".
Actually our community in general needs better branding so marketing so
copywriting so design.
Of course that means a website with better design. But the issue is more
deep than retouching the website.
Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an opportunity for
Seaside.
It could be a chance to start showing people that smalltalkers don't
ignore design (and I don't mean in theory).
But the reality is that not much of a difference will happen unless we
boldly embrace design from the core (code) to the skin (UI).
Avi...
if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared for the next
thing: people will start to make bold opinions about it (thinking they
know what they're talking about even if they aren't designers) and
having feedback is okay but, as you probably know, committees trying to
design horses end up delivering giraffes because democratically they
decided they're "improved"
If you think you can deal with that and make us look better, they I'm
curious already
sebastian <http://twitter.com/#%21/sebastianconcpt>
o/
On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:
Julian,
I'm willing to manage the website.
Lately I have been working on a new design mockup for the
Seaside website. As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a
better design. Hope I'll get to it over the following week and send some
screenshots of it.
Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for Seaside to which I
will dedicate some time after I finish some of the currently open
issues.
Regards,
Avi.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell
<jfitzell at gmail.com> wrote:
I think I've asked before, but this is a good time to ask again.
Is
there anyone in the community who would be willing to volunteer
their
services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have to involve
a lot
of work (though I'd love someone to take on the challenge of
cleaning
up the site organization), but mostly having responsibility for
making
sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing an issue
if
appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something about them.
We have
a number of people in the community with permissions to update
the
site, so some of the effort could just involve delegation to
them and
then chasing them up.
Julian
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan
<andyhasit at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most of what I need,
but have
> noticed something on the website that needs fixed, not sure
where to
> send this to as there is no "webmaster contact" bit, so
thought I'd
> post it here:
>
> -------------------
>
> On page: "http://www.seaside.st/documentation" the menu link
to
> "applications" brings you to the page on "debugging"...
>
> Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:
>
> http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30
> http://www.seaside.st/seaside30
>
> Could both do with being dated, especially as Seaside is one
of those
> things that people might try, leave, and come back to in a few
months
> to see if anything has changed, and won't remember what
version they
> downloaded.
>
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