[Seaside] Comparison of Aida/Web, Seaside and Iliad web frameworks

Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek at eranova.si
Wed Jun 22 09:59:14 UTC 2011

Hi Amir,

S, AA piše:

> I'm curious about the features/differences between the three frameworks.
> However, the current list appears to favour Aida/Web, and has been created by you; therefore it comes across as more of an advertisement than a comparison.  When such lists are compiled by anyone with a vested interest (eg. the creator!), suspicions and criticisms will be inevitable.  It is inescapable, regardless of your intentions.

It understandably in favour to Aida, because it was started by me
comparing Aida to others. I said that upfront and it is also in
disclaimer. But I'd like to balance it so that the comparison will be
more reliable view of the state of our web frameworks. Please have in
mind this disclaimer and use the current results as a starting point to
go further.

> So this is an undertaking that must be balanced very delicately, otherwise there is a risk of becoming alienated within the Smalltalk web community.


> I'd say that the first thing to do when considering a comparison list is to poll others to find out which features should be compared - before even making a comparison!  There's already been some hard 'discussion' on this mailing list, yet the spreadsheet hasn't been edited to reflect those opinions.  So perhaps already people are shunning it, which makes it less valuable.

As I said, I tried that, inviting the moderator (Stef), we then invite
Nico as Iliader, one Seasider then another, so that before going public
the spreadsheet would be more balanced between us. As already said
without success, that's why me and Stef decided to go now public.

> Also, when there are fundamental differences in the way a framework approaches the problem, a discrete list of 'features' becomes meaningless.  (It's like comparing Lisp and C - a feature comparison is impossible, because they are different paradigms!)  If this is the case, then the three frameworks should be examined at a more abstract level...  Ideally by an independent entity ;-)

Yes, that's my desire too and I hope someone from academia will step out
and do that. But even he can use this comparison as the start,
considering the above mentioned disclaimer of course. Or if we manage to
balance it better, even easier for him.

> Amir

Best regards

Janko Mivšek
Smalltalk Web Application Server

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