[Seaside] Comparison of Aida/Web, Seaside and Iliad web frameworks

Germán Arduino garduino at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 22:26:01 UTC 2011

Interesting thread.

A thing I've not read about in the above mails is about security (even
when is named in the spreadsheet).

In my opinion, it's also a framework responsability to provide some
helps to avoid common problems of our
days (as cross site scripting, injections, etc). Also autenthication.

2011/6/22 H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com>:
> On 6/22/11, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
> ...
>>> For comparing, it would be really good to have the same application
>>> written in the three frameworks by experts and have the experts compare
>>> them. Hey, if I find the time (oeps) I would even love to help out on that
>>> one.
>> Agreed! And I'm hardly waiting for someone to come out with an idea,
>> what to build for such comparison. I have one, but you will for sure
>> declare me biased again .. :) A so called real-time web example: a
>> multi-user chat. As that one on GMail, for instance. Another would be a
>> basic CRUD example, which is so common pattern, filling that 90% of
>> cases, to show, how the frameworks cover the people's most basic needs.
>> Best regards
>> Janko
> Hello Janko
> Maybe a sample application which is combination of both your suggestions :-).
> A kind of more elaborate ToDo list (cf. the Seaside example in the tutorial)
> Features:
> - Multi-user
> - The users see a list of ToDo items and sees to whom they are assigned.
> - In a chat area they can discuss about the items and reassign them accordingly.
> - Some views/reports (current tasks, my tasks, finished tasks, task in
> a particular month).
> If you want more
> - A wiki in addition
> - A glossary (special terms in the reports are automatically
> hyper-linked to a glossary entry)
> Best regards
> Hannes
> P.S. I am sure that other people have better ideas.
> I have no idea how much time this takes to implement in Aida/Web. In
> Seaside it is quite an effort.

Build a real world application to compare it's also a good idea.

I my own experience, with my own customers, the far more asked
solution is allways related with different sort of ERP's.

A good step in this way in my opinion is the work of the guys of
SmallPOS (http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallPOS/)

Things as invoices, stock, current accounts, billing, bank, finances,
production chain, etc, with plenty of relationship between
data (aka objects) and lot of different sort of forms (as
master-detail, grids, paging, search over the grids, filtering, etc).

The capability of supply to the final user the facility of build it's
own reports is also a thing I miss from the old Visual FoxPro
frameworks I used to work with in the past. One of the best I knew is
this one: http://www.promatrix.com/index.php were the
developer can find not only a framework else a good number to
"generators" (Automatic building of common things in a standardized
way). This is (was?) the main goal of a tool that I started with a
friend of me several years ago that I so called SDA (Smalltalk
Developer Assistant). As usual, the need of pay the bills go against
of the free time to invest in these sort of projects.

Just my 2 cents.


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