[Seaside] Comparison of Aida/Web, Seaside and Iliad web frameworks
garduino at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 22:26:01 UTC 2011
A thing I've not read about in the above mails is about security (even
when is named in the spreadsheet).
In my opinion, it's also a framework responsability to provide some
helps to avoid common problems of our
days (as cross site scripting, injections, etc). Also autenthication.
2011/6/22 H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com>:
> On 6/22/11, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
>>> For comparing, it would be really good to have the same application
>>> written in the three frameworks by experts and have the experts compare
>>> them. Hey, if I find the time (oeps) I would even love to help out on that
>> Agreed! And I'm hardly waiting for someone to come out with an idea,
>> what to build for such comparison. I have one, but you will for sure
>> declare me biased again .. :) A so called real-time web example: a
>> multi-user chat. As that one on GMail, for instance. Another would be a
>> basic CRUD example, which is so common pattern, filling that 90% of
>> cases, to show, how the frameworks cover the people's most basic needs.
>> Best regards
> Hello Janko
> Maybe a sample application which is combination of both your suggestions :-).
> A kind of more elaborate ToDo list (cf. the Seaside example in the tutorial)
> - Multi-user
> - The users see a list of ToDo items and sees to whom they are assigned.
> - In a chat area they can discuss about the items and reassign them accordingly.
> - Some views/reports (current tasks, my tasks, finished tasks, task in
> a particular month).
> If you want more
> - A wiki in addition
> - A glossary (special terms in the reports are automatically
> hyper-linked to a glossary entry)
> Best regards
> P.S. I am sure that other people have better ideas.
> I have no idea how much time this takes to implement in Aida/Web. In
> Seaside it is quite an effort.
Build a real world application to compare it's also a good idea.
I my own experience, with my own customers, the far more asked
solution is allways related with different sort of ERP's.
A good step in this way in my opinion is the work of the guys of
Things as invoices, stock, current accounts, billing, bank, finances,
production chain, etc, with plenty of relationship between
data (aka objects) and lot of different sort of forms (as
master-detail, grids, paging, search over the grids, filtering, etc).
The capability of supply to the final user the facility of build it's
own reports is also a thing I miss from the old Visual FoxPro
frameworks I used to work with in the past. One of the best I knew is
this one: http://www.promatrix.com/index.php were the
developer can find not only a framework else a good number to
"generators" (Automatic building of common things in a standardized
way). This is (was?) the main goal of a tool that I started with a
friend of me several years ago that I so called SDA (Smalltalk
Developer Assistant). As usual, the need of pay the bills go against
of the free time to invest in these sort of projects.
Just my 2 cents.
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