[Seaside] Re: Seaside 3.1 and Pharo issues

[Sebastian Sastre]

I suggest you post the Pharo issues in the pharo list 

best!

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> On 08/01/2015, at 08:28, David Carlos Manuelda <stormbyte at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> David Carlos Manuelda wrote:
> 
>> Currently, there are issues with latest stable seaside and pharo, which
>> have been talked before but seems not getting much attention, and some of
>> them are important, so I want to do a little summary here.
>> 
>> First of all, I have to say that I am new on smalltalk, pharo and seaside,
>> and started by reading Pharo by example, Deep into Pharo and Seaside
>> tutorial by Hasso Plattner Institut.
>> 
>> One of the issues (minor) is an error in startup script for linux which
>> comes with the Seaside one click experience tarball (3.1) which I made a
>> patch to correct:
>> 
>> --- Seaside3.1-OneClick.app/Pharo2.0-portable.sh.original       2014-01-30
>> 12:28:38.000000000 +0100
>> +++ Seaside3.1-OneClick.app/Pharo2.0-portable.sh        2015-01-08
>> 10:47:31.306292421 +0100
>> @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
>> 
>> # execute
>> exec "$LINUX/pharo" \
>> -       -plugins "$LINUX" \
>> -       -encoding utf8 \
>> +       --plugins "$LINUX" \
>> +       --encoding utf8 \
>>        -vm-display-X11 \
>>        "$image"
>> 
>> 
>> Other issue, that is specially important because it confuses new users
>> (like me) is that there are things which only works with pharo3 and not
>> with pharo2, and other, that do work with pharo2 but not in pharo3, which
>> is confusing, because the one click experience tarball comes with pharo2,
>> so I try to enumerate them here:
>> 
>> ** Halos, and code editing:
>>   - Pharo2: OK, working normally
>>   - Pharo3: DANGEROUS, partially not working, and when it works it makes
>> you lose code, I explain:
>>       x There are times in which you simply get the error:
>> MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "generateWithSource" is nil and you
>> can't edit code
>>       x When you don't get the above error, then you can edit code but
>>       when
>> trying to save, I detected 2 possible bad behaviors:
>>             - Save appears to work, but when you actually browse the code
>> you changed via browser in pharo, you see your whole method's code is
>> replaced by self methodHasNoSourceCode, in this case you lost your
>> original code
>>             - Save not working, and debugger is raised, telling you:
>> Unknown variable (the method name you just edited), for example, in my
>> case I edited via browser the initialize method, and I got Unknown
>> variable initialize.
>> 
>> ** Seaside Control Panel:
>>    - Pharo3: OK, no errors
>>    - Pharo2: Not working:
>>        x Menu entry is missing
>>        x If you invoke it manually or you just use the one that is raised
>> when you open firstly the one click experience image:
>>            * Right click not showing anything (in pharo3 right click
>> displays add adapter and that kind of options)
>>            * Selecting an adapter and clicking "Browse" give you: Not
>> understood message WAServerAdapterToolbar>>owner
>>            * Start/Stop options also shows above message not understood
>> error
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Summary: Again, I am not an expert, and some of these issues are not
>> important enough, because seaside continues to work, but in my honest
>> opinion, that incongruity of functionality between versions 2 and 3, do
>> not make much sense, and make user to chose between comodity (seaside
>> control panel) and functionality (halos).
>> 
>> 
>> Any opinions to this? Thanks for taking your time to read :)
>> 
>> David.
> 
> Also, debugger do not trigger, neither in pharo2 nor pharo3, for example 
> putting this on rootcomponent>>#renderContentOn: html
> html text 'test'.
> 1/0.
> 
> Makes an error to raise in browser, but do not trigger debugger inside 
> Pharo, which makes debugging really hard, as the browser error do not give 
> enough information alone to locate the error.
> 
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