[Seaside] Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo{2,3} problems with seaside3.1

[Johan Brichau]

Hi David,

Thanks for reaching out. You are right that encountering these issues is not a good user experience and we will try to improve on that.
Let me quickly respond to your remarks already.

The fact that the one-click download is still Pharo2 is something that went by unnoticed. I got reminded about that just last week and will try to update the download asap.
However, installing Seaside in your own Pharo image is a much more preferred solution because maintaining the one-click download with latest bugfixes takes time as well, which is precious amongst Seaside maintainers.

The Seaside control panel is broken in Pharo 2 and, unless someone provides fixes for it, will not be fixed. The reason is that it does not make much sense trying to maintain that for older Pharo versions. The differences between Pharo2 and 3 are large in the area and newcomers should use Pharo 3.

The source code that cannot be saved is a know issue in Pharo 3 [1].
But please mind that this is not the way to edit your code. The WABrowser is just an example. 

The idea is that I update the website but the I did not manage it before the end of 2014. I hope to get at it soon though…

Cheers,
Johan

[1] https://code.google.com/p/seaside/issues/detail?id=811 <https://code.google.com/p/seaside/issues/detail?id=811>

> On 08 Jan 2015, at 11:56, David Carlos Manuelda <stormbyte at gmail.com <mailto:stormbyte at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Currently, there are issues with latest stable seaside and pharo, which 
> have 
> been talked before but seems not getting much attention, and some of them 
> are important, so I want to do a little summary here.
> 
> First of all, I have to say that I am new on smalltalk, pharo and seaside, 
> and started by reading Pharo by example, Deep into Pharo and Seaside 
> tutorial by Hasso Plattner Institut.
> 
> Other issue, that is specially important because it confuses new users 
> (like 
> me) is that there are things which only works with pharo3 and not with 
> pharo2, and other, that do work with pharo2 but not in pharo3, which is 
> confusing, because the one click experience tarball comes with pharo2, so I 
> try to enumerate them here:
> 
> ** Halos, and code editing:
>   - Pharo2: OK, working normally
>   - Pharo3: DANGEROUS, partially not working, and when it works it makes 
> you lose code, I explain:
>       x There are times in which you simply get the error: 
> MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "generateWithSource" is nil and you can't 
> edit code
>       x When you don't get the above error, then you can edit code but 
> when 
> trying to save, I detected 2 possible bad behaviors:
>             - Save appears to work, but when you actually browse the code 
> you changed via browser in pharo, you see your whole method's code is 
> replaced by self methodHasNoSourceCode, in this case you lost your original 
> code
>             - Save not working, and debugger is raised, telling you: 
> Unknown variable (the method name you just edited), for example, in my case 
> I edited via browser the initialize method, and I got Unknown variable 
> initialize.
> 
> ** Seaside Control Panel:
>    - Pharo3: OK, no errors
>    - Pharo2: Not working:
>        x Menu entry is missing
>        x If you invoke it manually or you just use the one that is raised 
> when you open firstly the one click experience image:
>            * Right click not showing anything (in pharo3 right click 
> displays add adapter and that kind of options)
>            * Selecting an adapter and clicking "Browse" give you: Not 
> understood message WAServerAdapterToolbar>>owner
>            * Start/Stop options also shows above message not understood 
> error
> 
> 
> 
> Summary: Again, I am not an expert, and some of these issues are not 
> important enough, because seaside continues to work, but in my honest 
> opinion, that incongruity of functionality between versions 2 and 3, do not 
> make much sense, and make user to chose between comodity (seaside control 
> panel) and functionality (halos).
> 
> 
> Any opinions to this? Thanks for taking your time to read :)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
> 

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