[Seaside] HTML templating

[Tim Mackinnon]

This is an interesting thread as I’d been mulling over something similar having recently experimented off-piste with NodeJS and a static site generation library called metalsmith.io <http://metalsmith.io/>.

I bought a bootstrap template ($20) a few years ago which comes as a series of files and styles that I “moustache”’d quite easily to use with metalsmith (previously I had used it with Jekyll - but found the Ruby eco-system too awkward).

Having been to Pharo-days this year, I was inspired to check out Ecstatic (I haven’t got my head around that yet - it looks similar to metalsmith.io <http://metalsmith.io/> in concept) for the static site component of a website - however my thought is that merging this with Seaside, where you write components for more dynamic elements of your site seems like a compelling thing to do.

I think this is perhaps where this conversation could go, and the trick of course is marrying a template file concept (Ala moustache) up with code components for more dynamic parts of a site. E.g. so that you match up style names and id’s effectively (e.g. how do you safely refactor the whole thing). I think it could be possible, and quite compelling….

Alternatively - or maybe complimentary, did someone recently refer to a tool to read in html and generate Seaside code that represents the same thing? Maybe I am imagining that? Would it be useful to do that, or just use it to bootstrap the hybrid I mention above?

I’m certainly going to investigate this, in the next few months.

Tim

> On 22 Jun 2017, at 11:16, Sabine Manaa <manaa.sabine at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My experience also is, that it becomes confusing when you have large html files.
> 
> I also "translate" the html into smalltalk/seaside/mdl code. 
> 
> Disadvantages are clear - if I get a new html file, I have to find out the changes and translate them again.
> 
> But for me the advantages weigh more.
> 
> also when the page turns into an application and gets more dynamic, it often is not possible to deal with html files.
> 
> 
> 
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> 2017-06-22 11:48 GMT+02:00 Siemen Baader [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email] <x-msg://128/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4952244&i=0>>:
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> 
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4952242&i=0>> wrote:
> On 22/06/17 11:26, Siemen Baader wrote:
> Other approaches welcome, I just want to keep my templates as valid HTML
> outside the image so I can use external dev tools on them.
> 
> I've given up on external tools dealing with files. Files are for export. In Seaside I can reduce the duplication to a level that small changes impact so many files that using external file-based tools is pointless.
> 
> Yes, that is one important drawback to be balanced against what I gain from the UIs of dedicated web design tools.
>  
> That also means that I don't use Seaside for everything.
> 
> Which alternatives do you use, in which situations?
> 
> -- Siemen 
> 
> Stephan
> 
> 
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