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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I don't view this as competition between Cincom and GemStone. I'm glad Cincom is putting some weight behind Seaside. Interest in Seaside can only help grow the market for all Smalltalk vendors. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>As for native persistence vs. relational persistence for Smalltalk, they both are in use today. GemStone's business for over 20 years has been based on native persistence being better than O/R mapping approaches. The more people understand objects -- whether that understanding comes from using Seaside, Smalltalk, Ruby, or Java -- the more they understand the benefits of native persistence. I'm sure many people using Cincom's Seaside will still find GemStone to be their preferable persistence solution.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>-- Monty</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: William Harford [<A HREF="mailto:seaside@harford.org">mailto:seaside@harford.org</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:32 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Seaside - general discussion</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [Seaside] Cincom Supporting Seaside on VisualWorks</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Boris Popov wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> We plan to support Seaside, and that support will include a relational</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> persistence solution.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>That will be interesting. Looks like there will be a bit of healthy </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>competition between Cincom and Gemstone.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I wonder what Cincom's "relational persistence solution" will look </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>like. Will it be an object oriented approach to relational storage </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>like REServe ( <A HREF="http://squeaksource.com/REServe.html" TARGET="_blank">http://squeaksource.com/REServe.html</A> ) or take a more </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>traditional approach to object mapping like Glorp .</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>This is a subject that intreats me greatly and I would love to hear </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>more details on the proposed implementation if/when they are available.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Will</FONT>
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