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class=843403811-14072007>Beside Ajax the cleaning products trend, being too
much technician excludes people. It can be used as last resource and as
a compromise solution. In the other hand with that slogan I imagine a
framework that does more what Prototype does than what Seaside does.
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class=843403811-14072007>IMHO Ajax also should exist years ago and it's not even
complete. It lacks of a leg: the server initiative messages that comet unsafely
workarrounds todays. I'm sure some kind of ajax 2.0 that requires the next
generation of html will solve this lack. Thats protocol nothing to do with
seaside. And it's transident (ephimeral) marketing. My guess is that ajax
is the wave now like xhtml in 1998 but in short time will be vulgar (if not
now) and people will only accept if it dominates ajax but start to be kind
of tired of hearing ajax everywhere. I'm sure Seaside don't need and should not
deserve this heritage because it dominates ajax "from
above".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=843403811-14072007>It's not my favorite but it came to my mind yesterday
night so just for the record I saw this express a little of it and paraphrasing
scriptaculous slogan(which I don't think is all that good):</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=843403811-14072007> "It's about web components
baby!"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=843403811-14072007>The prhase is emotionally encouraging,
positive, simple, non technical and gives a glimpse of the seaside
experience developing the web with components (aka objects)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=843403811-14072007>Now paraphrasing your idea we could
have:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=843403811-14072007> "The Zen of web
components"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=843403811-14072007> cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] <B>En nombre de
</B>Richard K Eng<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> Sábado, 14 de Julio de 2007
08:33<BR><B>Para:</B> Seaside - general discussion<BR><B>Asunto:</B> Re:
[Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Somebody mentioned the Zen-like experience of using
Seaside. This reminded me of the book, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance". I came up with "The Zen of web development", but it lacked
punch.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>So how about "The Zen of Ajax"?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Or "Zen and the Art of Ajax"? (I really like this one,
but is it too close to the book title?)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Richard</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>