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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Not quite still. VMware Player is free and users don't need to install Ubuntu themselves, they could download GemStone's Seaside VM with everything included and configured, which as a matter of fact may be easier than installing and setting up VisualWorks from scratch for instance. All dialects deserve a mention and quick start sections IMHO.<BR>
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Cheers!<BR>
<BR>
-Boris<BR>
(Sent from a BlackBerry)<BR>
<BR>
----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org><BR>
To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org><BR>
Sent: Fri Jul 27 18:26:13 2007<BR>
Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book<BR>
<BR>
Hi Monty, you're correct but the goal of the book is Seaside. Next,<BR>
VMWare isn't free and I would not expect my customers to purchase<BR>
VMWare, install Ubuntu, and finally install a Smalltalk environment<BR>
and Seaside packages. I prefer one to focus on installing the<BR>
Smalltalk environment and the Seaside package(s). Monty, just because<BR>
I can use VMWare doesn't mean that it's necessary or needed for<BR>
learning Seaside. In short, the book should be focused on learning<BR>
Seaside in the native development environment whether it be<BR>
VisualWorks, Dolphin, and Squeak environments. Now, if my deployable<BR>
image is VisualWorks or Dolphin, how would installing VMWare satisfy<BR>
these users?<BR>
<BR>
-Conrad<BR>
<BR>
On 7/27/07, Monty Williams <monty.williams@gemstone.com> wrote:<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> I'm not sure your restriction makes sense in today's world. You can happily<BR>
> run Ubuntu Server Linux in a VMWare environment on a MacBook or other<BR>
> machine, and use Squeak on the native environment as a development platform.<BR>
><BR>
> GLASS (GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, and Smalltalk) as a deployment<BR>
> environment (instead of LAMP) will also run in a virtualized machine.<BR>
> <A HREF="http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/">http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/</A> is running in a virtualized Xen domU with<BR>
> 768MB of RAM and a 20GB disk image. The underlying hardware is a<BR>
> dual-processor Opteron 252 2.6GHz with 2GB of RAM which also runs GemStone's<BR>
> other external websites, mail, a Confluence wiki, and DNS.<BR>
><BR>
> -- Monty<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> ________________________________<BR>
> From: Conrad Taylor [<A HREF="mailto:conradwt@gmail.com">mailto:conradwt@gmail.com</A>]<BR>
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:27 PM<BR>
> To: Seaside - general discussion<BR>
><BR>
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> Hi, I just wouldn't want to introduce something into a book that's not<BR>
> supported on all the major platforms. At this time, it doesn't support Mac<BR>
> OS X but it support Linux and Windows. Also, Dolphin Smalltalk only<BR>
> supports the Windows platform from my understanding. However, it does have<BR>
> support Seaside 2.7 on Dolphin Smalltalk X6. This is very good to hear and<BR>
> one can find more information hear:<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> <A HREF="http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/">http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/</A><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> -Conrad<BR>
><BR>
> On 7/22/07, Boris Popov <boris@deepcovelabs.com> wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > Except GemStone in this context is way more than just a database, its also<BR>
> the execution platform for seaside itself so would have to be accounted for<BR>
> throughout IMHO.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Cheers!<BR>
> ><BR>
> > -Boris<BR>
> > (Sent from a BlackBerry)<BR>
> ><BR>
> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>
> > From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org <<BR>
> seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org><BR>
> > To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside@lists.squeakfoundation .org><BR>
> > Sent: Sun Jul 22 16:58:15 2007<BR>
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Hi James, I agree with you 100% addressing all the versions of Smalltalk.<BR>
> However, I would save Gemstone/S for the database integration parts of the<BR>
> book but Dolphin Smalltalk would added to the installation parts of the<BR>
> book. Anyway, in the outline that I proposed, I assumed that the reader had<BR>
> > programming proficiency but I added the "Introduction to Smalltalk"<BR>
> appendix for people that do not.<BR>
> > It would be GREAT to incorporate something like this in the forthcoming<BR>
> books on Seaside.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > -Conrad<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > On 7/22/07, James Foster <Smalltalk@jgfoster.net <<BR>
> <A HREF="mailto:Smalltalk@jgfoster.net">mailto:Smalltalk@jgfoster.net</A>> > wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I believe that all dialects of Smalltalk that support Seaside (you<BR>
> left<BR>
> > out Dolphin and GemStone) have a no-cost edition. It seems that<BR>
> > addressing each of these alternatives would be valuable.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > James<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Blake wrote:<BR>
> > > Hey, guys,<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > I'm creating an outline and some samples for a Seaside book<BR>
> and am<BR>
> > > wondering: Should I concern myself with Visual Works? That is to<BR>
> say:<BR>
> > > If I base the book on Squeak, I know everyone can get it for<BR>
> free but<BR>
> > > at the same time, some may choose VW over Squeak for their work.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > How much accomodation should I make for VW? Obviously, I'll<BR>
> want<BR>
> > > to check over the examples in VW and make sure they work, but<BR>
> apart<BR>
> > > from that?<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > ===Blake===<BR>
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