Hi Boris, what host OS does one use for <span id="st" name="st" class="st" style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position-x: initial; background-position-y: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 136); ">
GemStone</span>'s Seaside VM if using VMware Player? I ask this question because there's no direct support for Mac OS X.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>-Conrad<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 7/27/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Boris Popov</b> <<a href="mailto:boris@deepcovelabs.com">boris@deepcovelabs.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="2">Not quite still. VMware Player is free and users don't need to install Ubuntu themselves, they could download <span id="st" name="st" class="st">GemStone</span>'s Seaside VM with everything included and configured, which as a matter of fact may be easier than installing and setting up VisualWorks from scratch for instance. All dialects deserve a mention and quick start sections IMHO.
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Cheers!<br>
<br>
-Boris<br>
(Sent from a BlackBerry)<br>
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Sent: Fri Jul 27 18:26:13 2007<br>
Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book<br>
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Hi Monty, you're correct but the goal of the book is Seaside. Next,<br>
VMWare isn't free and I would not expect my customers to purchase<br>
VMWare, install Ubuntu, and finally install a Smalltalk environment<br>
and Seaside packages. I prefer one to focus on installing the<br>
Smalltalk environment and the Seaside package(s). Monty, just because<br>
I can use VMWare doesn't mean that it's necessary or needed for<br>
learning Seaside. In short, the book should be focused on learning<br>
Seaside in the native development environment whether it be<br>
VisualWorks, Dolphin, and Squeak environments. Now, if my deployable<br>
image is VisualWorks or Dolphin, how would installing VMWare satisfy<br>
these users?<br>
<br>
-Conrad<br>
<br>
On 7/27/07, Monty Williams <<a href="mailto:monty.williams@gemstone.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">monty.williams@gemstone.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm not sure your restriction makes sense in today's world. You can happily<br>
> run Ubuntu Server Linux in a VMWare environment on a MacBook or other<br>
> machine, and use Squeak on the native environment as a development platform.<br>
><br>
> GLASS (GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, and Smalltalk) as a deployment<br>
> environment (instead of LAMP) will also run in a virtualized machine.<br>
> <a href="http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/</a> is running in a virtualized Xen domU with<br>
> 768MB of RAM and a 20GB disk image. The underlying hardware is a<br>
> dual-processor Opteron 252 2.6GHz with 2GB of RAM which also runs GemStone's<br>
> other external websites, mail, a Confluence wiki, and DNS.<br>
><br>
> -- Monty<br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Conrad Taylor [<a href="mailto:conradwt@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mailto:conradwt@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:27 PM<br>
> To: Seaside - general discussion<br>
><br>
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book<br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi, I just wouldn't want to introduce something into a book that's not<br>
> supported on all the major platforms. At this time, it doesn't support Mac<br>
> OS X but it support Linux and Windows. Also, Dolphin Smalltalk only<br>
> supports the Windows platform from my understanding. However, it does have<br>
> support Seaside 2.7 on Dolphin Smalltalk X6. This is very good to hear and<br>
> one can find more information hear:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://dolphinseaside.blogspot</a><a href="http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
.com/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> -Conrad<br>
><br>
> On 7/22/07, Boris Popov <<a href="mailto:boris@deepcovelabs.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">boris@deepcovelabs.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Except GemStone in this context is way more than just a database, its also<br>
> the execution platform for seaside itself so would have to be accounted for<br>
> throughout IMHO.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers!<br>
> ><br>
> > -Boris<br>
> > (Sent from a BlackBerry)<br>
> ><br>
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> > To: Seaside - general discussion <<a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation</a> .org><br>
> > Sent: Sun Jul 22 16:58:15 2007<br>
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi James, I agree with you 100% addressing all the versions of Smalltalk.<br>
> However, I would save Gemstone/S for the database integration parts of the<br>
> book but Dolphin Smalltalk would added to the installation parts of the<br>
> book. Anyway, in the outline that I proposed, I assumed that the reader had<br>
> > programming proficiency but I added the "Introduction to Smalltalk"<br>
> appendix for people that do not.<br>
> > It would be GREAT to incorporate something like this in the forthcoming<br>
> books on Seaside.<br>
> ><br>
> > -Conrad<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 7/22/07, James Foster <<a href="mailto:Smalltalk@jgfoster.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Smalltalk@jgfoster.net</a> <<br>
> <a href="mailto:Smalltalk@jgfoster.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mailto:Smalltalk@jgfoster.net</a>> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I believe that all dialects of Smalltalk that support Seaside (you<br>
> left<br>
> > out Dolphin and GemStone) have a no-cost edition. It seems that<br>
> > addressing each of these alternatives would be valuable.<br>
> ><br>
> > James<br>
> ><br>
> > Blake wrote:<br>
> > > Hey, guys,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'm creating an outline and some samples for a Seaside book<br>
> and am<br>
> > > wondering: Should I concern myself with Visual Works? That is to<br>
> say:<br>
> > > If I base the book on Squeak, I know everyone can get it for<br>
> free but<br>
> > > at the same time, some may choose VW over Squeak for their work.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > How much accomodation should I make for VW? Obviously, I'll<br>
> want<br>
> > > to check over the examples in VW and make sure they work, but<br>
> apart<br>
> > > from that?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ===Blake===<br>
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