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class=937112903-18102007>I appreciate a lot criticism because it works.
Constructive or destructive. It's the most effective mechanism I know for
my brain not beign crystalized.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=937112903-18102007>Remember that human languages are informal ones so you
should not stress too much parsing (which is a formal reading) unless you think
you can extract something really valuable from that reading or the ideas around
it. Prioritize the essence of the message the form use to be a mere
support.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=937112903-18102007>To clarify.. it do happens that english is my second
language, in fact I think it's third because I'm less worst with portuguese
which is very familiar to spanish which is my first one. I'm convinced that my
skills with any language are of no value when compared to the overall capability
of succesful message passing. A capability that we, TI people, have allways to
seriously workout. I feel smalltalkers have a chance to be ahead on this
one.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=937112903-18102007>Well, I don't want to bother you nor others, anyway I
comment below my answer. If not enough, please, I'll still interested in knowing
why I was not easily parseable so I'll kindly ask you to tell me which part
you still found unclear?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=937112903-18102007> thanks!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] <B>En nombre de </B>Nevin
Pratt<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007
20:50<BR><B>Para:</B> Seaside - general discussion<BR><B>Asunto:</B> Re:
[Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Sebastian,<BR><BR>I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it
looks to me like English is a second language, but I'm having a real difficult
time parsing your post. I'm just trying to figure out what you
mean.<BR><BR>Nevin<BR><BR>
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cite=mid:!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAx5oTyKKcHEiH5jLobrYqEMKAAAAQAAAAUUWH59xvxU6xnl4RRHstJAEAAAAA@seaswork.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">what a relief.. LOL <SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2> (laugh, good humor, <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL</A>)</FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE wrap=""><SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2>(a relief of not being sued by Claus for my skepticism </joke>)</FONT> </SPAN>
Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk
and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately
that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. <SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN>I just wanted you,
and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that
todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the
value".
<SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE wrap=""><SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2>(this sounds clear to me.. it's about dolphin seems not to add any feature that worth to develop web applications </FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE wrap=""><SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2>on it other than using Dolphin itself which IMHO is not worth enough. Also contextualizing that by "real convenience" I mean "value" </FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE wrap=""><SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2>which no matter which language you choose it should be clear. I wrote like that to make you and may be others to think about it because I know</FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE wrap=""><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=937112903-18102007>that *showing the value* can vary a lot in complexity and can bring a hard time because it's a key and it is critical for the desicion taking process </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></PRE><PRE wrap=""><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=937112903-18102007>you can pass good or bad times based on those keys so I found that is very important to people like us </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=937112903-18102007>to have that argumentation workout</SPAN><SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT>)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></PRE><PRE wrap=""><SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>
cheers !
Sebastian Sastre
PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine
again ;)
<SPAN class=937112903-18102007><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2> (this is because Claus told us two times that it's cloudy in Germany)</FONT></SPAN>
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De: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org</A>
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org">mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org</A>] En nombre
de Claus Kick
Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27
Para: Seaside - general discussion
Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;)
Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using
Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000)
at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop
something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to
allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on
my account and serve my own website that way.
I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious
enough to find out :)
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">using Seaside
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps,
but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
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