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<P><FONT SIZE=2>There are three ways to get started with the GemStone/Seaside Beta. The first is available today for a limited number of users. The others will be available around mid-November. The general release of GemStone/Seaside is targeted for Q4 2007.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Option 1. Install a full version of GemStone/S from scratch on a 64-bit Linux box. This requires a moderate amount of Linux system administration skills at present, but we're working on automating this further. This is the suggested route to deploy a production system as you can tune memory, disks, network, etc. to meet your performance requirements.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Option 2. Install a GemStone/Seaside "Virtual Appliance" on a 64-bit Macintosh or Windows computer. This is a preconfigured double-clickable VMware image that includes Ubuntu Linux, Apache, GemStone/S with three Gems, Seaside and Firefox pointing to the running GemStone/Seaside instance. This is a good system to use for development, or even for light deployment. You'll need a copy of VMware Player for Windows (<A HREF="http://www.vmware.com/download/player/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vmware.com/download/player/</A>) or VMware Fusion for MacOSX (<A HREF="http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/</A>). Note: VMware requires an Intel VT (at least a Core 2 Duo) or AMD-V chipset to run 64-bit guest operating systems.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Option 3. Use a "Sandbox" account we can set up on a GemStone system for you. This is primarily useful if you don't have access to a 64-bit system. It's not a GemStone/Seaside hosting system, just a place for you to try things out. If you have access to a suitable 64-bit system, that's usually a better alternative. Other hosting options are planned for early next year.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Check out Dale's blog at <A HREF="http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/</A> -- it has both short articles and longer technical details. It's a valuable resource if you want to learn more about GemStone/Seaside.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>You may want to sign up for our low traffic Beta mailing list at <A HREF="http://seaside.gemstone.com/mailman/listinfo/beta" TARGET="_blank">http://seaside.gemstone.com/mailman/listinfo/beta</A>. Once you are signed up, there is a full archive of this mailing list available at <A HREF="http://seaside.gemstone.com/mailman/private/beta/" TARGET="_blank">http://seaside.gemstone.com/mailman/private/beta/</A></FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>A GemSource repository you can use for either Squeak or GemStone Seaside projects is available at <A HREF="http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/" TARGET="_blank">http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/</A> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: itsme213 [<A HREF="mailto:itsme213@hotmail.com">mailto:itsme213@hotmail.com</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:06 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: [Seaside] Re: gemstone / appliance / ISP options</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> RE: [Seaside] gemstone / appliance / ISP optionsTrying out, perhaps </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> eventually commercial. I was hoping one of the (VPS) Virtual </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Private Host </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> options that most web hosting providers offer would suffice.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Does one need a 64-bit machine to do development work? Linux?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sorry if this seems a bit disconnected, I did find a good </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> summary anywhere.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sophie</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ===========</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >"Monty Williams" <monty.williams@gemstone.com> wrote in message </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ><A HREF="news:75D481373A76D311A5790090274F2B5C09E63CC5@mailsrv1.gemsto" TARGET="_blank">news:75D481373A76D311A5790090274F2B5C09E63CC5@mailsrv1.gemsto</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ne.com...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Are you asking about hosting a commercial or non-commercial </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> site, or just a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >way to try things out? There >should be GemStone solution </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> for all of these </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >by early next year.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >As James indicated, Vmware is not required.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >-- Monty</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > -----Original Message----- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > From: itsme213 [<A HREF="mailto:itsme213@hotmail.com">mailto:itsme213@hotmail.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:06 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > To: seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Subject: [Seaside] gemstone / appliance / ISP options</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > run a VMWare</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > (a) look</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ISPs) on VPS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
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