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class=281430419-29042008>I'm sure you know an open community has limited
resources and mostly based on good will and volunteering. Also casual
convergence of interests can create oportunities of cooperation. Seaside is an
artifact, among many others, built on that kind of basis.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=281430419-29042008>If you have concrete facts to support complains
about the quality of the support service you receive, say here by mail or
any comunication channel, electronic or not, please expose them so they can be
discussed with clarity. You can ask for more quality of that service but,
as you are informed, you must remember its basis. If you are not satisfied
with that I'm sure you can contact professionals who are most interested in
being contracted by you for a fair price so they can give its bests to
colaborate for your success.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=281430419-29042008>Instrospection is great but is not the silver
bullet to all our problems. Internet is the cruth to factorize geography so
what? Casual chats can make, anybody willing to learn to receive or to provide
help, to assimilate lots of new informations of great quality in cool
interpersonal interactions and in very short time. Is a matter of willing to
create an ambient for that going with what we have and w</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=281430419-29042008>e can't
create an ambient like that with a conditioning attitude. So the question in the
air is: are we capable of making this a valuable part of the Seaside experience?
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] <B>En nombre de </B>Steve
Wart<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> Martes, 29 de Abril de 2008 12:17<BR><B>Para:</B>
Seaside - general discussion<BR><B>Asunto:</B> Re: [Seaside] It is time for a
Seaside IRC channel?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Okay I'll delurk - as someone who's on irc a lot and was asking
this question in the channel just the other day, also as someone who knows
very little about seaside but actively playing with the non-squeak
variants.<BR><BR>Last time I checked there were 2 of us in the #seaside
channel on <A href="http://irc.freenode.net">irc.freenode.net</A> (mid-morning
UK time). The #squeak channel was much more populated and the consensus there
was the traffic was low enough that they'd be happy to answer seaside
questions for any dialect of Smalltalk (the <A
href="http://irc.parcplace.net">irc.parcplace.net</A> channels are also very
useful).<BR><BR>I don't mind which channel offers support, but if you are
going to advertise it, please be prepared to support it. If I'm there I can
give long-winded war story-type responses about VisualWorks and GemStone but
I'm not going to offer anything sensible about the best way to structure a
seaside application.<BR><BR>I love IRC, it's great for community, but I also
see it as a crutch. Better to take the time to think about your question and
your responses and post it on the mailing list. Chances are you'll figure it
out for yourself, or at least make some decent progress before
asking.<BR><BR>Steve<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, cdrick <<A
href="mailto:cdrick65@gmail.com">cdrick65@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">choosing
a compromise as Philippe proposed is enough for now I think...<BR>saying
that the seaside channel is quite new and that for historical<BR>reasons,
you're still more likely to find help on squeak<BR><BR>my 2
cents...<BR><BR>Cédrick<BR><BR>ps: is the seaside channel logged as I know
squeak<BR>is...<A href="http://ircbrowse.com/index.html"
target=_blank>http://ircbrowse.com/index.html</A>. Just a question of a bot
?<BR><BR>2008/4/29 Sebastian Sastre <<A
href="mailto:ssastre@seaswork.com">ssastre@seaswork.com</A>>:<BR>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>> > > Whether it is better than #squeak as
a source of help on<BR>> > seaside is not<BR>> >
> relevant to the point or tot the request.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only
thing<BR>> > that matters to you is how likely you're getting
the help you need.<BR>> ><BR>> > That doesn't mean
we can't mention it but we should surely point out<BR>> > that
currently #squeak is the first place you go.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Cheers<BR>> > Philippe<BR>>
><BR>><BR>> No, is not the point. Unless, of course,
you want, for some reason, to preserve confusion and misleading. Besides not
all seasiders are squeakers, the likely to found help on #css in the
#javascript channel has nothing to do with preserving its separation of
concerns.<BR>><BR>> Do we have a trend to try to innovate
unnecessarily? even to the point of starting to detriment comunication or
preventing its improvment? Can we review how clear is this point for the
good of the community?<BR>><BR>>
Sebastian<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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