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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Suppose I am the vice-president and ask you: 
"So?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then, what's next?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Victor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=avi@dabbledb.com href="mailto:avi@dabbledb.com">Avi Bryant</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org 
  href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">Seaside - general 
  discussion</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:22 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Seaside] the elevator pitch 
  for seaside</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Agreed.&nbsp; In fact, these days I rarely even mention 
  flow.&nbsp; Instead, I would say a key elevator pitch is "callbacks, not field 
  names".<BR><BR>Avi<BR><BR>
  <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Lukas Renggli &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:renggli@gmail.com">renggli@gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>
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  style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I 
    try to avoid mentioning continuations at all (with the exception of<BR>a 
    scientific talk).<BR><BR>Continuations don't add any value to a 
    presentation, make you look<BR>geeky and at best scare people off. Even 
    developers don't need to know<BR>about that internal implementation detail. 
    Only show how easy it is to<BR>define flow.<BR><BR>The same for persistency. 
    This is something commercial vendors worry about.<BR><BR>Lukas<BR>
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    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR>On 5/3/08, Randal L. Schwartz &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com">merlyn@stonehenge.com</A>&gt; 
    wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp;&gt;From <A 
    href="http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/the-elevator-pitch-for-seaside.html" 
    target=_blank>http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/the-elevator-pitch-for-seaside.html</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &nbsp; &nbsp;But I think I've come up with a good elevator pitch for "why 
    Seaside and<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;not [insert other framework here]", that 
    centers on three key items:<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;abstracted control flows, 
    live debugging, and persistence without ORMs.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp;If you 
    have any input, leave it on the blog, or followup here. &nbsp;I'm 
    presenting<BR>&gt; &nbsp;my talk in seven hours, and am trying to do some 
    last minute refinement.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp;--<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Randal L. 
    Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095<BR>&gt; 
    &nbsp;&lt;<A 
    href="mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com">merlyn@stonehenge.com</A>&gt; &lt;URL:<A 
    href="http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/" 
    target=_blank>http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &nbsp;Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. 
    etc.<BR>&gt; &nbsp;See <A href="http://PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com" 
    target=_blank>PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com</A> for onsite and open-enrollment 
    Perl training!<BR>&gt; 
    &nbsp;_______________________________________________<BR>&gt; &nbsp;seaside 
    mailing list<BR>&gt; &nbsp;<A 
    href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</A><BR>&gt; 
    &nbsp;<A 
    href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside" 
    target=_blank>http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</A><BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV><FONT 
    color=#888888>--<BR>Lukas Renggli<BR><A href="http://www.lukas-renggli.ch" 
    target=_blank>http://www.lukas-renggli.ch</A><BR></FONT>
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