<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">For me - the killer feature is "live hot debugging". That whole - try it again in the debugger button is far and away the coolest thing.<div><br></div><div>I'm missing that quite a lot as I'm stuck in Rails Hell for the next couple months. <div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 3, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Avi Bryant wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Agreed. In fact, these days I rarely even mention flow. Instead, I would say a key elevator pitch is "callbacks, not field names".<br><br>Avi<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Lukas Renggli <<a href="mailto:renggli@gmail.com">renggli@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I try to avoid mentioning continuations at all (with the exception of<br> a scientific talk).<br> <br> Continuations don't add any value to a presentation, make you look<br> geeky and at best scare people off. Even developers don't need to know<br> about that internal implementation detail. Only show how easy it is to<br> define flow.<br> <br> The same for persistency. This is something commercial vendors worry about.<br> <br> Lukas<br> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> On 5/3/08, Randal L. Schwartz <<a href="mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com">merlyn@stonehenge.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > >From <a href="http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/the-elevator-pitch-for-seaside.html" target="_blank">http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/the-elevator-pitch-for-seaside.html</a><br> ><br> > But I think I've come up with a good elevator pitch for "why Seaside and<br> > not [insert other framework here]", that centers on three key items:<br> > abstracted control flows, live debugging, and persistence without ORMs.<br> ><br> > If you have any input, leave it on the blog, or followup here. I'm presenting<br> > my talk in seven hours, and am trying to do some last minute refinement.<br> ><br> > --<br> ><br> > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095<br> > <<a href="mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com">merlyn@stonehenge.com</a>> <URL:<a href="http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/" target="_blank">http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/</a>><br> > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.<br> > See <a href="http://PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com" target="_blank">PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com</a> for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!<br> > _______________________________________________<br> > seaside mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside" target="_blank">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> </div></div><font color="#888888">--<br> Lukas Renggli<br> <a href="http://www.lukas-renggli.ch" target="_blank">http://www.lukas-renggli.ch</a><br> </font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">_______________________________________________<br> seaside mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside" target="_blank">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> _______________________________________________<br>seaside mailing list<br><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br>http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>