Hi Adrian,<br>I did open both images with the same VM. I am sure this must be the problem then. As I said in one of the mails, the problem in my case went away when I bounced all the images.<br>It only happens in the Mac VM then?<br>
Do we need to report this bug somewhere or is it already reported?<br>Cheers<br><br>r<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Adrian Lienhard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adi@netstyle.ch">adi@netstyle.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Did you open another image with the same VM? There is a wired behavior of the Mac VM that makes the second image listen on the same ports as the already running image. This may (or may not) be related.<br>
<br>
See <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-June/002726.html" target="_blank">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-June/002726.html</a><br>
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Adrian<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On Oct 11, 2009, at 17:18 , Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:<br>
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Robert, can you see your port still listening with this command ?<br>
<br>
sudo lsof -i -P | grep -i listen<br>
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat<br>
<<a href="mailto:ramiro@diaztrepat.name" target="_blank">ramiro@diaztrepat.name</a>>wrote:<br>
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Ah, if Robert still has an image with the issue and if he does not mind<br>
giving it away for autopsy, maybe someone could look at it :)May be John<br>
Macintosh can help us.<br>
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<br>
<br>
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Robert Sirois <<a href="mailto:watchlala@hotmail.com" target="_blank">watchlala@hotmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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I'm running the latest mac vm as well. I believe I attempted the same<br>
things to no avail.<br>
<br>
RS<br>
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:39:37 +0200<br>
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Subject: Re: [Seaside] Komanche ?<br>
From: <a href="mailto:renggli@gmail.com" target="_blank">renggli@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br>
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I use the same configuration with the 4.1.1beta2U VM.<br>
<br>
Lukas<br>
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2009/10/11 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <<a href="mailto:ramiro@diaztrepat.name" target="_blank">ramiro@diaztrepat.name</a>>:<br>
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Correlation does not mean causality, I know. But in my case this<br>
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happened<br>
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right after saving my image, although I had saved it many times before<br>
without issues.<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat <<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<a href="mailto:ramiro@diaztrepat.name" target="_blank">ramiro@diaztrepat.name</a>><br>
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wrote:<br>
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Hi Lukas,<br>
I am using the latest Pharo, and I have loaded Seaside with<br>
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ScriptLoader<br>
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loadSeaside30. I am using it on a Mac with Leopard.<br>
I have managed to reuse that port, with random tests and I do not<br>
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believe<br>
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there may be causality here, but I will tell you anyway what I did.<br>
When this happens, I removed the problematic adaptor from the Seaside<br>
Control Panel and created a new one (on the same port), then I tried<br>
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closing<br>
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the image and restarting and it did not fix the problem. Although<br>
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when I<br>
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closed another non Seaside image I was running and then restarted the<br>
problematic image it worked.<br>
I wonder now if it is not a mac vm issue or socket issue. Robert,<br>
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are you<br>
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also running on a mac?<br>
In spite I got the image working again, it is quite worring because<br>
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we<br>
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don't know the cause when an image stops answering requests (although<br>
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the<br>
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image itself was not hanged at all and kept working fine), and, most<br>
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weird<br>
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of all, there is no exception or trace of a fault happening. This is<br>
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really<br>
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what is making me wonder if it is not a low level socket issue that<br>
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never<br>
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gets to the image for it to throw an exception or anything at all.<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
r<br>
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ps: I'm cross posting to Pharo because I believe this is not a<br>
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Seaside<br>
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issue.<br>
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Robert Sirois <<br>
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<a href="mailto:watchlala@hotmail.com" target="_blank">watchlala@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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wrote:<br>
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<br>
I'm using Pharo 1.0.10419, but I'm not sure how to check the other<br>
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two. I<br>
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think I'm still running 2.9 in the image I checked.<br>
<br>
RS<br>
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:30:37 +0200<br>
Subject: Re: [Seaside] Komanche ?<br>
From: <a href="mailto:renggli@gmail.com" target="_blank">renggli@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br>
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I've never seen this problem before.<br>
<br>
What version of Pharo? Kom? Seaside?<br>
<br>
Lukas<br>
<br>
2009/10/11 Robert Sirois <<a href="mailto:watchlala@hotmail.com" target="_blank">watchlala@hotmail.com</a>>:<br>
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I've also had this problem for quite a while now and have not<br>
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found<br>
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any way to fix the problem either.<br>
<br>
RS<br>
<br>
Ramiro Diaz Trepat <<a href="mailto:ramiro@diaztrepat.name" target="_blank">ramiro@diaztrepat.name</a>> wrote:<br>
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Something really strange happened to me more than once now.In a<br>
simple dev<br>
image (Pharo + Seaside3 + Kom on a Mac) after saving the image<br>
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at<br>
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some<br>
point, Komanche stops answering anything at all, althought the<br>
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port<br>
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keeps<br>
listening (as listed on a terminal).<br>
No errors are displayed anywere but the port becomes unusable<br>
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from<br>
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that<br>
point on.<br>
If I wish to continue using the same image I have to add another<br>
adaptor in<br>
the Seaside Control Panel and start again.<br>
The "dead" ports never become usable again, not even stopping<br>
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and<br>
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removing<br>
the adaptor and adding a new one.<br>
I am not even sure that this is a Komanche issue, as I said no<br>
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error<br>
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of<br>
anykind is visible.<br>
Has anyone come across this before?<br>
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