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<font face="Georgia">One question to ask is whether the site needs
"a" new design or several. I am of a minority less enamored with
design/structure and more interested in full understanding. Would
Seaside make it possible to support two radically different views
of the same information without needing to do twice the work?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Bob<br>
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P.S. I saw this today in a totally different context, but it seems
applicable here as well:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html">http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html</a><br>
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On 2/23/11 9:18 AM, Robert Sirois wrote:
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I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really
need is to get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in
charge, and have a little web get-together and discuss it?
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<div>RS<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com">sebastian@flowingconcept.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?<br>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br>
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<div>"...<span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51,
0, 51); font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: small;">As
I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better
design...</span>"</div>
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<div>All...</div>
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<div>I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is
deeper".</div>
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<div>Actually our community in general needs better branding so
marketing so copywriting so design.</div>
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<div>Of course that means a website with better design. But the
issue is more deep than retouching the website.</div>
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<div>Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an
opportunity for Seaside.</div>
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<div>It could be a chance to start showing people that
smalltalkers don't ignore design (and I don't mean in theory).</div>
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<div>But the reality is that not much of a difference will
happen unless we boldly embrace design from the core (code) to
the skin (UI).</div>
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<div>Avi... </div>
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<div>if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared
for the next thing: people will start to make bold opinions
about it (thinking they know what they're talking about even
if they aren't designers) and having feedback is okay but, as
you probably know, committees trying to design horses end up
delivering giraffes because democratically they decided
they're "improved"</div>
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<div>If you think you can deal with that and make us look
better, they I'm curious already</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/#%21/sebastianconcpt"
target="_blank">sebastian</a></div>
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<div>o/</div>
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<div>On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#330033"><font size="2"><font
face="tahoma,sans-serif">Julian,<br>
I'm willing to manage the website.<br>
</font></font></font><font color="#330033"><font
size="2"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Lately I have
been working on a new design mockup for the Seaside
website. As I have previously mentioned, the website
needs a better design. Hope I'll get to it over the
following week and send some screenshots of it.</font></font></font><font
color="#330033"><font size="2"><font
face="tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for
Seaside to which I will dedicate some time after I
finish some of the currently open issues.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Avi.<br>
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jfitzell@gmail.com">jfitzell@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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1ex;">I think I've asked before, but this is a good
time to ask again. Is<br>
there anyone in the community who would be willing to
volunteer their<br>
services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have
to involve a lot<br>
of work (though I'd love someone to take on the
challenge of cleaning<br>
up the site organization), but mostly having
responsibility for making<br>
sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing
an issue if<br>
appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something
about them. We have<br>
a number of people in the community with permissions
to update the<br>
site, so some of the effort could just involve
delegation to them and<br>
then chasing them up.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Julian<br>
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan
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href="mailto:andyhasit@gmail.com">andyhasit@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most
of what I need, but have<br>
> noticed something on the website that needs
fixed, not sure where to<br>
> send this to as there is no "webmaster
contact" bit, so thought I'd<br>
> post it here:<br>
><br>
> -------------------<br>
><br>
> On page: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seaside.st/documentation"
target="_blank">http://www.seaside.st/documentation</a>"
the menu link to<br>
> "applications" brings you to the page on
"debugging"...<br>
><br>
> Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30"
target="_blank">http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seaside.st/seaside30"
target="_blank">http://www.seaside.st/seaside30</a><br>
><br>
> Could both do with being dated, especially as
Seaside is one of those<br>
> things that people might try, leave, and come
back to in a few months<br>
> to see if anything has changed, and won't
remember what version they<br>
> downloaded.<br>
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