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I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really need is to get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in charge, and have a little web get-together and discuss it?<div><br></div><div>RS<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: sebastian@flowingconcept.com<br>Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?<br>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300<br>To: seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org<br><br>
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<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft SafeHTML"><div>"...<span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="color:rgb(51, 0, 51);font-family:tahoma, sans-serif;font-size:small">As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better design...</span>"</div><div><br></div><div>All...</div><div><br></div><div>I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is deeper".</div><div><br></div><div>Actually our community in general needs better branding so marketing so copywriting so design.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course that means a website with better design. But the issue is more deep than retouching the website.</div><div><br></div><div>Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an opportunity for Seaside.</div><div><br></div><div>It could be a chance to start showing people that smalltalkers don't ignore design (and I don't mean in theory).</div><div><br></div><div>But the reality is that&nbsp;not much of a difference will happen unless we&nbsp;boldly embrace design from the core (code) to the skin (UI).</div><div><br></div><div>Avi...&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared for the next thing: people will start to make bold opinions about it (thinking they know what they're talking about even if they aren't designers) and having feedback is okay but, as you probably know, committees trying to design horses end up delivering giraffes because democratically they decided they're "improved"</div><div><br></div><div>If you think you can deal with that and make us look better, they I'm curious already</div><div><br></div><div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/#!/sebastianconcpt" target="_blank">sebastian</a></div><div><br></div><div>o/</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font color="#330033"><font size="2"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Julian,<br>I'm willing to manage the website.<br></font></font></font><font color="#330033"><font size="2"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Lately I 
have been working on a new design mockup for the Seaside website. As I 
have previously mentioned, the website needs a better design. Hope I'll get to it over the following week and send some screenshots of it.</font></font></font><font color="#330033"><font size="2"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
<br>Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for Seaside to which I will dedicate some time after I finish some of the currently open issues.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Avi.<br></font></font></font><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jfitzell@gmail.com">jfitzell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex">I think I've asked before, but this is a good time to ask again. Is<br>
there anyone in the community who would be willing to volunteer their<br>
services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have to involve a lot<br>
of work (though I'd love someone to take on the challenge of cleaning<br>
up the site organization), but mostly having responsibility for making<br>
sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing an issue if<br>
appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something about them. We have<br>
a number of people in the community with permissions to update the<br>
site, so some of the effort could just involve delegation to them and<br>
then chasing them up.<br>
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Julian<br>
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan &lt;<a href="mailto:andyhasit@gmail.com">andyhasit@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hello,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most of what I need, but have<br>
&gt; noticed something on the website that needs fixed, not sure where to<br>
&gt; send this to as there is no "webmaster contact" bit, so thought I'd<br>
&gt; post it here:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -------------------<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On page: "<a href="http://www.seaside.st/documentation" target="_blank">http://www.seaside.st/documentation</a>" &nbsp; the menu link to<br>
&gt; "applications" brings you to the page on "debugging"...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href="http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30" target="_blank">http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30</a><br>
&gt; <a href="http://www.seaside.st/seaside30" target="_blank">http://www.seaside.st/seaside30</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Could both do with being dated, especially as Seaside is one of those<br>
&gt; things that people might try, leave, and come back to in a few months<br>
&gt; to see if anything has changed, and won't remember what version they<br>
&gt; downloaded.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; seaside mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside" target="_blank">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br>
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