<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>hey Julian,</div><div><br></div><div>basically that:</div><div><br></div><div>1. if if we do too much we pollute the brand (by confusing people on what to expect) and </div><div>2. that a "one click seaside image" is a great promise but if after the download you found that promise broken then.. well.. that isn't a great start, right? so..</div><div><br></div><div>tip: remember you are doing it for other people including you, <b>not the other way around</b> (and that ~99% of them will expect to start with a few simple things that works great and <b>only after that</b> move on and install more nerdish stuff (that also should work great but should't be a seaside issue))</div><div><br></div><div>what happens if we ignore this?</div><div><br></div><div>the (analogous) same thing that would happen with some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern">anti-patterns</a> (like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_complexity">this</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_ball_of_mud">this</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object">this</a>) when you have bloated objects with too many responsibilities trying to do too much: that's being inflexible and scaling poorly. So I'm assuming you don't want that characteristics in the seaside brand (at least I'm sure I don't want them) and the one click image is the most representative artifact of the seaside brand (plus the fact that Pharo will enjoy or suffer the consequences too)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Julian Fitzell wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Sebastian,<br><br>I don't understand your comment. What do you mean?<br><br>Julian<br><br>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Sebastian Sastre<br><<a href="mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com">sebastian@flowingconcept.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">less is more guys<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">please keep it simple<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Julian Fitzell wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The image is also called pier2.image and the icon when the application<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">opens is Pier's. That is all a bit weird, I think...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:56 AM, laurent laffont<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:laurent.laffont@gmail.com">laurent.laffont@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Philippe Marschall<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:philippe.marschall@gmail.com">philippe.marschall@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 2011/3/22 laurent laffont <<a href="mailto:laurent.laffont@gmail.com">laurent.laffont@gmail.com</a>>:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Seaside 3.0 developer image found at <a href="http://seaside.st/download/pharo">http://seaside.st/download/pharo</a> is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Pier image, not Seaside one.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Yes, it says so "Pharo 1.1, Scriptaculous, jQuery, Magritte, Pier".<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But when you open it and go to <a href="http://localhost:8080">http://localhost:8080</a> the default application<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">is Pier, not the Seaside welcome screen. Is it what you want ?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Laurent.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The One-Click shouldn't have Magritte and Pier in it.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cheers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Philippe<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">seaside mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">seaside mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">seaside mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">seaside mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>seaside mailing list<br><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br>http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>