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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-IE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Here's what I get in clean VisualWorks 7.7.1 with Seaside-All 3.0-3 from Public Repository,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.440000 - 14:03:30.409000 = 31ms<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>C:\Users\Boris>curl --trace-time -v http://<span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>127.0.0.1</span>:7777/status<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>14:03:30.409000</span> * About to connect() to 127.0.0.1 port 7777 (#0)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.409000 * Trying 127.0.0.1... connected<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.409000 * Connected to 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) port 7777 (#0)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 > GET /status HTTP/1.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 > User-Agent: curl/7.19.7 (i386-pc-win32) libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 > Host: 127.0.0.1:7777<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 > Accept: */*<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 < HTTP/1.1 200 OK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 < Content-type: text/html;charset=utf-8<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 < Content-length: 3203<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:03:30.425000 <<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/x<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>html1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>="en" lang="en"><head><title>Garbage Collector</title><meta http-equiv="Content-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8"/><meta http-equiv="Content-Script-Type"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>content="text/javascript"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/files/W<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ANavigationFiles/main.css"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/files/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>WADevelopmentFiles/development.css"/></head><body onload="onLoad()"><div class="<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>kalsey"><div class="navigation-options"><ul><li class="option-selected"><a href=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>"/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&am<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>p;1">GC</a></li><li><a href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_s<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>D&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;2">Memory</a></li><li><a href="/status/WAGarbageCo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>llectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;3">OS</a></li><li><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-L<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>exYrQ&amp;4">Processes</a></li><li><a href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;5">Smalltalk Image</a></li></ul></d<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>iv><div class="navigation-content"><table><tbody class="right"><tr><th>Global GC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>s:</th><td>3</td></tr><tr><th>Incremental GCs:</th><td>16</td></tr><tr><th>Compa<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>cting GCs:</th><td>0</td></tr><tr><th>Scavenges:</th><td>2121</td></tr></tbody><<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>/table><h2>Actions</h2><ul><li><a title="Reclaims recently created garbage (whic<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>h is usually most of it) fairly quickly." href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;6">Quick GC</a></li><li><a titl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>e="Reclaims all garbage." href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;7">Full GC</a></li><li><a title="Perform a comp<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>acting, mark-sweep garbage collection of the entire Smalltalk system (with the e<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>xception of those objects housed in PermSpace), eliminating any unreferencable o<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>bjects. Compacts both the OT and object data. May take some time even on fast ma<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>chines." href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;8">Compacting GC</a></li><li><a title="Compacts the data in OldS<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>pace, but not the OT. May take some time even on fast machines." href="/status/W<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>AGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;9">Compa<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ct memory</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="wa-toolbar"><a class="wa-newsessi<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ontoolplugin" href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;10">New Session</a> <a class="wa-configuretoolplugin" href=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>"/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&am<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>p;11">Configure</a> <a class="wa-togglehalostoolplugin" href="/status/WAGarbageC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ollectorStatus?_s=cV1LTzNi8RJs1_sD&amp;_k=PlEz-Mj0E-LexYrQ&amp;12">Halos</a> <a<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>class="wa-validatetoolplugin" title="Validate XHTML" href="http://validator.w3.o<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>rg/check/referer">XHTML</a> <span class="wa-timingtoolplugin"><span title="Callb<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ack Time">0</span>/<span title="Render Time">0</span> ms</span></div><script typ<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>e="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function onLoad(){};/*]]>*/</script></body></ht<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ml>14:03:30.425000 * Connection #0 to host 127.0.0.1 left intact<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>14:03:30.440000</span> * Closing connection #0<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>C:\Users\Boris>curl --trace-time -v http://<span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>localhost</span>:7777/status<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>14:05:02.653000</span> * About to connect() to localhost port 7777 (#0)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 * Trying 127.0.0.1... connected<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 * Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1) port 7777 (#0)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 > GET /status HTTP/1.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 > User-Agent: curl/7.19.7 (i386-pc-win32) libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 > Host: localhost:7777<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 > Accept: */*<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.653000 ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.668000 < HTTP/1.1 200 OK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.668000 < Content-type: text/html;charset=utf-8<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.668000 < Content-length: 3203<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>14:05:02.668000 <<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/x<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>html1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>="en" lang="en"><head><title>Garbage Collector</title><meta http-equiv="Content-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8"/><meta http-equiv="Content-Script-Type"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>content="text/javascript"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/files/W<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ANavigationFiles/main.css"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/files/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>WADevelopmentFiles/development.css"/></head><body onload="onLoad()"><div class="<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>kalsey"><div class="navigation-options"><ul><li class="option-selected"><a href=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>"/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&am<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>p;1">GC</a></li><li><a href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;2">Memory</a></li><li><a href="/status/WAGarbageCo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>llectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;3">OS</a></li><li><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7Pc<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>iXJoA&amp;4">Processes</a></li><li><a href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;5">Smalltalk Image</a></li></ul></d<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>iv><div class="navigation-content"><table><tbody class="right"><tr><th>Global GC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>s:</th><td>3</td></tr><tr><th>Incremental GCs:</th><td>16</td></tr><tr><th>Compa<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>cting GCs:</th><td>0</td></tr><tr><th>Scavenges:</th><td>2121</td></tr></tbody><<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>/table><h2>Actions</h2><ul><li><a title="Reclaims recently created garbage (whic<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>h is usually most of it) fairly quickly." href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;6">Quick GC</a></li><li><a titl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>e="Reclaims all garbage." href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;7">Full GC</a></li><li><a title="Perform a comp<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>acting, mark-sweep garbage collection of the entire Smalltalk system (with the e<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>xception of those objects housed in PermSpace), eliminating any unreferencable o<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>bjects. Compacts both the OT and object data. May take some time even on fast ma<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>chines." href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>xux7PciXJoA&amp;8">Compacting GC</a></li><li><a title="Compacts the data in OldS<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>pace, but not the OT. May take some time even on fast machines." href="/status/W<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>AGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;9">Compa<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ct memory</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="wa-toolbar"><a class="wa-newsessi<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ontoolplugin" href="/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;10">New Session</a> <a class="wa-configuretoolplugin" href=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>"/status/WAGarbageCollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&am<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>p;11">Configure</a> <a class="wa-togglehalostoolplugin" href="/status/WAGarbageC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ollectorStatus?_s=BKkWCimi7nM1H77M&amp;_k=IZGF7xux7PciXJoA&amp;12">Halos</a> <a<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>class="wa-validatetoolplugin" title="Validate XHTML" href="http://validator.w3.o<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>rg/check/referer">XHTML</a> <span class="wa-timingtoolplugin"><span title="Callb<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ack Time">0</span>/<span title="Render Time">0</span> ms</span></div><script typ<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>e="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function onLoad(){};/*]]>*/</script></body></ht<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ml>14:05:02.668000 * Connection #0 to host localhost left intact<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>14:05:02.684000</span> * Closing connection #0<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-Boris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-IE'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs<br>Sent: 13 May 2011 22:13<br>To: Seaside - general discussion<br>Subject: RE: [Seaside] Page Load Time</span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Out of curiosity, could you be running into a common problem with DNS lookups and IPv6? Try using the IP address or disabling IPv6.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr/msg30006.html"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr/msg30006.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://www.fritscher.ch/blog/2008/02/10/slowness-with-localhost-on-vista-and-seasidesqueak-in-firefox/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.fritscher.ch/blog/2008/02/10/slowness-with-localhost-on-vista-and-seasidesqueak-in-firefox/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://weblogs.asp.net/dwahlin/archive/2007/06/17/fixing-firefox-slowness-with-localhost-on-vista.aspx"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://weblogs.asp.net/dwahlin/archive/2007/06/17/fixing-firefox-slowness-with-localhost-on-vista.aspx</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-Boris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Runar Jordahl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: 13 May 2011 18:02<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: Seaside - general discussion<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: [Seaside] Page Load Time<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Below are the results for load time of Google’s home page and my simple “Hello World” application:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Google home page<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>10 requests <span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>❘</span> 20.01KB transferred <span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>❘</span> 371ms (onload: 314ms,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>DOMContentLoaded: 123ms)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Seaside “Hello World” application<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>2 requests <span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>❘</span> 4.86KB transferred <span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>❘</span> 1.03s (onload: 1.05s,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>DOMContentLoaded: 1.05s)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I used Google Chrome to measure the results.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>My “Hello World” application simply displays “Hello World” as H1, nothing more. I use the default Seaside setup, with a the browser running locally.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I run Pharo 1.2.1 and Seaside 3.0.3.1 on a powerful (8 GB Ram, SSD disk, Intel i5 661 CPU) Windows 7 64 bit box.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Google’s page is minimalistic; a typical page uses a few seconds to load. Still, wouldn’t you expect the minimum load time to be far less than 1 second?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I perfectly well understand that minimum load time does not say anything about the load time for a more complex page.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Runar<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>seaside mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>