<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">Joachim,</span><br style=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">Nice catch... ui-draggable is indeed the problem. </span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;
font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><br></span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">I wonder if moving the mouse a bit during the click with ui-draggable causes the problem.</span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',
'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">I can work around this.</span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><br></span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">Thanks,</span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family:
'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">Bob</span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><br></span></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:22 AM, "jtuchel@objektfabrik.de" <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> wrote:<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <br class="" style=""><br class="" style=""> <div class="" style=""><div id="yiv1874082020" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">
<div class="" style="">Bob,<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
your code looks fine, no obvious problem here... apart from the
fact that your link has a class of ui-draggable. It is very likely
the code that hooks into clicking the link to start dragging the
link does some kind of suppressing the handling of the click event
after it did its job. I guess it does a preventDefault() after it
started drag processing.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
So the first thing I'd try is to remove the .ui-draggable class
and see what happens.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
HTH<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
Joachim<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Am 11.11.14 um 15:46 schrieb <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" ymailto="mailto:bobn@rogers.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bobn@rogers.com" style="">bobn@rogers.com</a>:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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<div class="" style=""><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Joachim,</span><br clear="none" style="" class="">
</span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">In answer to your questions: </span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">* Are you sure the callback isn't
executed? Did you check with Browser <br clear="none" class="" style="">
tools if a request is sent to the server?</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Yes. We can very clearly see that the
onClick: event is triggered on the browser but that no
callback: is done.</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Does a server side breakpoint in the callback method
fire?</span></span></div>
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</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="background-color:transparent;"><font class="" style="" face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2">A Transcript
message in WACallbackRegistry>>handle: shows that it
is not being sent. </font><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Is it some obscure ancient Browser version (think IE 8
and below) in <br clear="none" class="" style="">
which this happens?</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;">I test with Chrome (latest
version), but I've seen the behaviour in Firefox as well (also
latest version).</div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Is your onClick: handler more complex than your shown
snippet? Does it <br clear="none" class="" style="">
return false or call preventDefault() ? This would be the
only <br clear="none" class="" style="">
explanation I can see for the callback not executing.</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">No. The code is exactly what we used.</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
* If these hints don't help, try debugging the resulting
Javascript on <br clear="none" class="" style="">
your Browser. All current browsers have quite nice tools
for debugging <br clear="none" class="" style="">
javascript. The only difficulty here is that it's
sometimes hard to find <br clear="none" class="" style="">
and debug js code that was generated by Seaside, because
the code is <br clear="none" class="" style="">
inserted somewhere in the middle of the html page rather
than the onLoad <br clear="none" class="" style="">
at the end of the document.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Here is what I see... (a simple link to
show 'Project')</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style=""><font class="" style="" face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2"><a
id="id513"
onclick="$(&quot;#busy&quot;).show(300)"
href="/portal?_s=WKDLJE12tAQicU1u&amp;_k=xlDl3htKPumY6l-A&amp;514"
class="ui-draggable" style="position:
relative;">Projects</a></font><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Thanks for the comments,</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Bob</span></span></div>
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<div class="" dir="ltr" style=""> <font class="" style="" face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014
1:56 AM, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" ymailto="mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de" style="">"jtuchel@objektfabrik.de"</a>
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" ymailto="mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de" style=""><jtuchel@objektfabrik.de></a> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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<div class="" style="">Paul, Bob,<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
as far as I understand, Bob's problem is not related to
#onAjaxStart:, <br clear="none" class="" style="">
because there is no Ajax request in his code example,
just a simple <br clear="none" class="" style="">
callback. So what you suggest would show a spinner on
each Ajax call, <br clear="none" class="" style="">
but it will not fix the issue at hand, which is that the
callback is not <br clear="none" class="" style="">
called.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
Or are you saying onAjaxStart: will also be executed for
"normal" <br clear="none" class="" style="">
callbacks like anchors and submit buttons? My
understanding is it is <br clear="none" class="" style="">
only executed in the context of an XMLHTTPRequest...?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
The described behavior, however, is really strange. In
the snippet you <br clear="none" class="" style="">
show, there is nothing that would prevent the Browser
from handling the <br clear="none" class="" style="">
user's click on the link. So if your code snippet really
is the <br clear="none" class="" style="">
production code, I do not see anything that would
explain why in some <br clear="none" class="" style="">
cases there is no callback processing. So I don't really
have an instant <br clear="none" class="" style="">
answer, just a few ideas:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Are you sure the callback isn't executed? Did you
check with Browser <br clear="none" class="" style="">
tools if a request is sent to the server?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Does a server side breakpoint in the callback method
fire?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Is it some obscure ancient Browser version (think IE 8
and below) in <br clear="none" class="" style="">
which this happens?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
* Is your onClick: handler more complex than your shown
snippet? Does it <br clear="none" class="" style="">
return false or call preventDefault() ? This would be
the only <br clear="none" class="" style="">
explanation I can see for the callback not executing.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
* If these hints don't help, try debugging the resulting
Javascript on <br clear="none" class="" style="">
your Browser. All current browsers have quite nice tools
for debugging <br clear="none" class="" style="">
javascript. The only difficulty here is that it's
sometimes hard to find <br clear="none" class="" style="">
and debug js code that was generated by Seaside, because
the code is <br clear="none" class="" style="">
inserted somewhere in the middle of the html page rather
than the onLoad <br clear="none" class="" style="">
at the end of the document.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
HTH,<br clear="none" class="" style="">
<br clear="none" class="" style="">
Joachim<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Am 10.11.14 um 17:12 schrieb Paul DeBruicker:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
> Hi Bob,<br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
> Using the #onAjaxStart: & #onAjaxStop: setting
as discussed here:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" target="_blank" href="http://forum.world.st/JQAutocomplete-and-onAjaxStart-td4787505.html" style="">http://forum.world.st/JQAutocomplete-and-onAjaxStart-td4787505.html
</a>to<br clear="none" class="" style="">
> trigger the busy spinner may fix your issue because
it would wait for the<br clear="none" class="" style="">
> request to be sent from the client to start the
spinner, rather than the<br clear="none" class="" style="">
> click.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
> Paul<br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
><br clear="none" class="" style="">
> Bob Nemec wrote<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> We like to show a 'busy' spinner image when a
user clicks on a link.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> Years ago we added code like this...<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>><br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> ...<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>>> onClick: ((canvas jQuery id: 'busy') show:
0.3 seconds);<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>>> callback: [some action]<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>>> ...<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> ...which works fine, except that sometimes the
onClick: action gets<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> triggered without the callback:<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> The user then sees the 'busy' image, but the
view does not change. They<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> think the system has locked up.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> I've tried various ajax / onSuccess: mixes, but
nothing works exactly<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> right.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>><br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> What would be a good way to ensure that 'busy'
is shown only if the<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> callback: block is triggered?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>><br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> Thanks for any help,<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>><br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> Bob Nemec<br clear="none" class="" style="">
>> HTS<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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