<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Steve,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Welcome back ;)<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">First off, your observations are correct about the website, documentation, etc… </div><div class="">These areas need work. There’s work in progress but it advances slowly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A lot of things have now also moved to github: <a href="https://github.com/SeasideSt" class="">https://github.com/SeasideSt</a> (see the Seaside project wiki there).</div><div class="">Of course, the idea is that the Seaside website references this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can search the Seaside mailinglist archives here: <a href="http://forum.world.st/Seaside-General-f86180.html" class="">http://forum.world.st/Seaside-General-f86180.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A couple of people are maintaining the code and making small increments and advances. </div><div class="">There’s room for more hands to help, so we welcome anyone who can join the effort. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">cheers</div><div class="">Johan</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 31 Mar 2016, at 22:48, Steve Beisner <<a href="mailto:beisner@alum.mit.edu" class="">beisner@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I like Seaside; so much that I'd like to raise some questions</div><div class="">about co-lateral items like documentation, the website, and books.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My background: I've been programming "forever". I first saw</div><div class="">Smalltalk demoed at PARC back in the seventies. I've flirted with</div><div class="">it for years, and was blown away by Seaside as well when I first</div><div class="">ran across it years ago. For a variety of reasons I'm picking it</div><div class="">up again after a half dozen years. A lot has changed for both </div><div class="">Seaside and Pharo since I last looked, so I decided it'd be</div><div class="">worth my time to try to bring a "beginner's mind" to it, and work</div><div class="">through the website, community resources, documentation, etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In short, I'm a fan. I don't want to offend anyone with these</div><div class="">questions... perhaps it's just my ignorance, but I'd like to help</div><div class="">fix some problems I noticed as a new user coming to the Seaside</div><div class="">site. Here's what I notice:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Seaside, itself, is obviously under active development by some</div><div class=""> really smart people.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Is the website not maintained? I lot of stuff looks WAY out of date.</div><div class=""> Most of the listed Blogs have changed their focus from Seaside, or are</div><div class=""> defunct, or haven't been updated in five or six years. The</div><div class=""> "Success Stories" are stale by years. Ditto for much of the "Projects" list. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- "The Book" (Dynamic Web Developmment with Seaside) appears to</div><div class=""> be stalled. Early in the book it says,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> "The online version is always up-to-date and permits </div><div class=""> readers to add notes at the bottom of every page."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> This appears to not be the case (not up-to-date, and I see</div><div class=""> no way to put comments/notes/questions anywhere).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> The "First Component in 15 Minutes" section references what </div><div class=""> seems to be an old version of Pharo: different terminology,</div><div class=""> different menus. (I am using the 1 click package with Pharo</div><div class=""> and Seaside.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- The Seaside email list seems to get some good traffic. Is there any</div><div class=""> way to search the archives for topics? (I don't see any way;</div><div class=""> my suspicion is that there's gold in the archives, if there was</div><div class=""> only a way to find it.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- How would one go about helping with getting/keeping the book /</div><div class=""> website up-to-date?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Has there been any thought to using a forum (or Google Groups)</div><div class=""> as a more efficient medium than a mail list for recording and</div><div class=""> making available information and answers to questions?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, I know that having a new person come into a community and </div><div class="">immediately start complaining is a drag -- in a big way! </div><div class="">That's not my intent... I plan to persist along my own path, but</div><div class="">maybe I'm overlooking something? I'd really like improve my own</div><div class="">familiarity with Seaside and perhaps, at the same time, help make</div><div class="">it be more accessible to those who are not already old hands.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any suggestions or insights would be welcome.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-SteveB </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br class="">seaside mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org" class="">seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a><br class="">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>