This clears up a lot of my questions.  I was wondering: in the Zaurus
models, is it the User Area or some other memory space that is the
limitation on Squeak's ability to run?  Hmm.  Also, I'm confused about
the operating system on Zauri.

-John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ohshima at is.titech.ac.jp [mailto:ohshima at is.titech.ac.jp]
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:45 AM
> To: squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
> Cc: ohshima at is.titech.ac.jp
> Subject: RE: ICRUISE
>
>
>   Hi,
>
> > The ICRUISE currently lists at 160,000 JPY, or 1,531.39 USD, or
> > 1,504.97 EUR.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > And the MI-310 Zaurus Color Pocket (karaa poketto) lists
> at 110,000
> > yen--that was the other machine that Yoshiki mentioned
> recently, with
> > the reflective LCD.  Oddly enough, these two machines list cheaper
> > than the Power Zaurus pair, but Yoshiki says on his page that the
> > ICRUISE works better, and he implies that the Color Pocket does as
> > well as an ICRUISE with a small screen.
>
>   160,000 yen is the "official" price of ICRUISE.  The "shop
> price" is around 110,000-130,000 yen.  (You can buy the used
> one under 80,000 yen).  Note that the camera unit is not
> included in the price.
>
>   MI-310 Color Pocket is not the one I mentioned.  What I
> wrote about was MI-C1 (that is likely to be called "Power
> Zaurus 3").  The official price of the MI-C1 is 88,000 yen.
> The shop price would be around 70,000 yen.
>
>   The main obstacle to run Squeak on Zaurus series is the
> DRAM size.  All models other than ICRUISE or MI-C1 have 2MB
> DRAM and only 720k is available for Squeak's heap.  It's far
> from "usable".
>
>   ICRUISE and MI-C1 have 8MB DRAM and 4.5MB is available for
> Squeak's heap.  It is not enough, but usable.
>
> > The Color Pocket is very pretty.
>
>   Note that MI-C1 is smaller than Color Pocket (we call it
> "KARA POKE"), has better reflective LCD, and is cheaper.
>
>   One problem of MI-C1 is that it doesn't have the modem: we
> (Japanese) can connect the cell phone to it to make it IP
> reachabe, but it means that you (who dooesn't live in Japan)
> cannot make it IP reachable anymore.
>
> # It's shame on SHARP that they don't support the ethernet
> # cards!
>
>   Anyway, surviving Zauri (Thank you for telling me the
> plural of "Zaurus", John (Duncan)!) today are ICRUISE, iGeti
> (MI-P[12]), MI-C1, and MT-200 ("Communication Pal").  The
> "usable" are ICRUISE and MI-C1, although Squeak can run on
> all "M-" models.
>
> # Yes. MI-P1, called iGeti, is another model of Zaurus with
> # monochrome LCD, which is around 30,000 yen.
>
> # MI-110 and MI-106 are called "Zaurus Pocket", obsoleted by
> # MI-310.
>
>   -- Yoshiki
>
>