Thanks Marcus --

Well, this is the problem with most of these licences that "aren't
transitive". Presumably, a way around this might be to just have URLs for
these fonts in Squeak with an automatic mechanism for retrieving them only
when each individual user says they want them? This way, they aren't
actually shipped with Squeak, but can be gotten anytime a Squeak is on the
net ....

How about it Andrew?

Cheers,

Alan

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At 5:56 AM -0800 10/29/99, Marcus Denker wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 04:23:55AM -0800, Alan Kay wrote:
>> Marcus --
>>
>> Does "donate" mean more than the fonts can be used in Squeak? -- does it
>> also mean that they can be "passed along" from app builders to app builders
>> and to users?
>>
>
>File "Fontmap" (part of urw-fonts.tar.gz) contains the following
>copyright-notice:
>
>%
>% Fonts contributed by:
>%       URW++ Design and Development Incorporated
>%       Poppenbuetteler Bogen 29A
>%       D-22399 Hamburg
>%       Germany
>%       tel. +49 (40) 60 60 50
>%       fax +49 (40) 60 60 51 11
>% for distribution under the GNU License and Aladdin Free Public License.
>% See the notice at the head of this Fontmap file for licensing terms.
>% Each of these fonts is individually covered by the license:
>% for licensing purposes, they are not "part of" any larger entity.
>% The following notice applies to these fonts:
>%
>%       Copyright URW Software, Copyright 1994 by URW.
>%
>
>So the Fonts are licensed under the  GNU GPL or the Aladdin
>License:
>Aladdin License:  http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/doc/Public.htm
>GPL:              http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
>
>The Aladdin Free Public License allows free use, copying, and
>distribution by end users, but does not allow commercial distribution.
>So Aladdin-Licensed fonts can not be included in Squeak.
>
>But I think it should be possible to include the URW-Fonts when
>they are GPled. The copyright-notice says:
>
>  Each of these fonts is individually covered by the license:
>  for licensing purposes, they are not "part of" any larger entity.
>
>So part 2b) of the GPL (the famous "GPL Virus") should be no problem:
>
>    b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
>    whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
>    part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
>    parties under the terms of this License.
>
>
>One Problem remains: the single *.afm - Files contain following
>copyright:
>
>  StartFontMetrics 3.0 RETURN)
>  Comment Copyright URW Software, Copyright 1996 by URW
>  Comment Creation Date: 2/16/1996
>  Comment See the file PUBLIC (Aladdin Free Public License) for license
>  conditions
>
>Strange. We should ask Aladdin (L. Peter Deutsch) or URW under which
>license the fonts really are.
>
>  Marcus
>
>
>
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