How about:

	1. mouse click gives you the menu

	2. keypress gives you the best choice

Also, if menus ever start responding to keypresses, then menus popping
up won't be so annoying--you could just hit alt-c followed by enter,
which is pretty speedy.  (And if you need faster than that, then your
average time per email is *really* low, and you have another problem!)


-Lex




Daniel Vainsencher <danielv at netvision.net.il> wrote:
> 
> See what you mean.
> I wonder how we can make the complete list available w/o losing the
> ability to apply a probably-right-filter in one click, or one keypress.
> Having the menu come up is really bad for keyboard people.
> 
> At worst, it's a preference...
> 
> "Lex Spoon" <lex at cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
> > The purpose seems to be that usually when you click on the Custom
> > button, you want to use a filter that will match the currently selected
> > method.  This sounds great.
> > 
> > Now I think that the most recent behavior is that you *only* see filters
> > that match the message.  This is good in the common case, but annoying
> > if you actually do want to apply a filter that doesn't match the
> > selected message.  So instead, I suggest merely putting the matching
> > filters at the top of the list.
> > 
> > For example, if I select a message from myself to teh squeak list, I
> > would get a custom-filters menu something like the following:
> > 
> > 
> > 	personal
> > 	squeak
> > 	------
> > 	buqtraq
> > 	linux
> > 	lojban
> > 	lout
> > 	personal
> > 	squeak
> > 	squeakers
> > 
> > 
> > With this scheme, one can still quickly select the "personal" filter,
> > but one also gets options for all of the other filters.  So it's a
> > win-win situation, it seems.
> > 
> > -Lex
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Daniel Vainsencher <danielv at netvision.net.il> wrote:
> > > With a few days experience with the sensitive buttons, 
> > > I agree it still needs tweaking.
> > > Didn't understand your last sentence, though, or at least it's relation
> > > to the first...
> > > 
> > > "Lex Spoon" <lex at cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
> > > > Daniel Vainsencher <danielv at netvision.net.il> wrote:
> > > > > > Neat idea, but it would be nice to be able to access the other filters
> > > > > > without having to find a relevant message first.  
> > > > > The previous behavior is retained if no message is selected.
> > > > > No message - all filters + add/remove/edit filter.
> > > > > Same goes for the move filter.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Still, it would be confusing to have to deselect the current message
> > > > just to get the full listing.  It's not confusing at all if the default
> > > > options are just copied at the top of the list, and you get the same
> > > > benefits.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -Lex