Hmm.  The swiki is very usable, at least by me - I read and post on it
all the time.  The aesthetic is nice, too, but I'm sure we'll all
disagree.  I don't think squeak.org and the swiki should be the same
thing, though they should certainly be interconnected.  On Swikis,
we are giving up on Mac servers, at least for now, but our new Linux server isn't
going to arrive for a month or more -- stability should improve once it's here
and we get everything switched over to it (there are over 100 swikis at
Tech!).  I don't know of any serious offers to rehost the Squeak
swiki... but does anyone really want that to happen?  The current admin
is the guy who wrote and is doing research on ComancheSwiki....

One thing we'd agree on: this uptime.arsdigita.com site is really neat. 
We have written a script or two to do the same thing, but often the
script is often buggier than the site it's supposed to be watching!

-Lex



Simon Michael <simon at joyful.com> wrote:
> Hello squeakers,
> 
> thanks for your vision and dedication. I've been checking in on squeak
> for a while, but have lately become a bona-fide addict.
> 
> There's so much to play with and work on around here that it's hard to
> know where to start. I'm compelled to just jump into this thread with
> a mess of suggestions. :)
> 
> 
> Congratulations on the very welcome and effective squeak.org
> update. Re next steps, a resounding "hear hear!" to Stephen Pair's
> suggestion:
> 
> > It would be nice to have all downloads (stable and alpha)
> > consolidated on squeak.org with the following information:
> 
> Now, about the wiki. In previous years I mostly avoided the squeak
> swiki site due to my subjective perceptions of poor performance and
> aesthetics. I've come to see that there's a lot more valuable content
> there than first meets the eye, and that it is probably the best place
> to collect, refine and share our communal squeak knowledge. I think
> some good roadmaps are needed. I'd like to do what I can to help, but
> the site is unusably flaky
> 
> (cf http://uptime.arsdigita.com/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=119512 )
> 
> ..no offence intended - I know gatech folk are well aware of this and
> probably rolling out a new server as we speak.
> 
> If they're not, or if it is going to take a while - didn't I see
> someone make a serious offer of hosting support here a while back ?
> Even if it were only for a month, this could be a solution worth
> considering.
> 
> A suggestion: with community/clarity/documentation/maintenance issues
> in mind, my ideal would be to see "the squeak wiki" and "squeak.org"
> become one place as far as possible. Some ideas:
> 
> - move the wiki to squeak.org and serve the current static squeak.org
> pages out of it (preserving current page layout & write access control
> as necessary)
> 
> - host the wiki within the squeak.org domain as a well-linked
> secondary site
> 
> - set up one of those funny dns redirects to mimic the above
> (wiki.squeak.org -> minnow.cc.gatech.edu)
> 
> More broadly, like others here, and the many more who are coming, I'm
> looking for the most effective way to contribute to "this thing". I'd
> like to help make it easier to help, for one. I hope the above may at
> least raise some ideas..
> 
> Best regards!
> -Simon