Hi-
I've noticed you are about 5 years in advance of us all, can you give me some stock
tips ;-)
David

Karl Ramberg wrote:

> how about a directory structure some thing like
>
> squeak 3.1/
>         read-me.txt
>         platform-independent(SqueakCentral)/
>                 squeak3.1-changesetnumber.zip
>                 squeaksources.symlink
>         mac/
>                 macfull.changesetnumber.sit
>                 mac-vm.sit
>                 mac-vm-src.sit
>                 extra-mac-vm-plugins/
>                         extra-mac-vm-plugin.sit
>         win/
>                 winfull.changesetnumber.zip
>                 win-vm.zip
>                 win-vm-src.zip
>                 extra-win-vm-plugins/
>                         extra-win-vm-plugin.zip
>         unix-linux/
>                 x86/
>                 various-distro.changesetnumber.rpm
>                 various-distro.changesetnumber.db
>                 ppc/
>                 various-distro.changesetnumber.rpm
>                 various-distro.changesetnumberdb
>         etc
> Karl
>
> Bruce ONeel wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >         Thanks for the feedback.  Maybe it can be made less confusing
> > for beginners, with luck :-)
> >
> >         Easy ones first.  Why is 3.1_alpha a mess?  3.1_alpha is not
> > really meant for beginners.  Maybe I should put a readme
> > there?  I would hope that a new user starting off would not
> > start with a alpha release.  OTOH, maybe they would so suggestions?
> >
> >         Why is the subdirectory called files when it seems to have only
> > the system independent components in it?  Well, this is historical
> > and maybe needs to be changed.  The directory files is
> > the dumping ground for for the misc files that we don't want to have at
> > the top level.  Two random things right now in there are the 3.0.8
> > mac VM and the mac starsqueak plugin.  Still, files might be the
> > wrong name.  Ideas?
> >
> >         Now the not so easy one, why is the linux/unix distro not so well
> > done?  I no longer have accsess to a load of different systems to build
> > this on.  This means that I depend on the kindness of strangers
> > to build VMs and then tell me about them.  If someone would build
> > the VMs for diffferent unix/linux distros I would happily put them
> > on the FTP site.  In addition a RPM for redhat and similiar RPM
> > loving linuxes would also be very handy.   Even if someone would
> > build just the VMs and point me to the binaries I'd be happy to
> > put togehter a .tar.gz with .image, .changes, .sources, and the VM.
> >
> >         I suspect from your note that you found the README confusing.
> > I'm happy to reword it if someone can come up with a better wording.
> >
> >         I will put some more links to the sources, changes, and image
> > file on www.squeak.org.  Do people want a .tar.gz of the system
> > independant parts?
> >
> > Thanks for looking at this though!
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > bruce
> >
> > Duane T Williams <duane at cmu.edu> wrote:
> > > I have appended below the current Squeak 3.0 and 3.1alpha directories from
> > > the uiuc ftp site.  This seems like a mess to me.  Suppose I want just the
> > > sources file, or the sources+image+changes, the platform independent stuff.
> > > What should I download?
> > >
> > > Suppose I'm running on a PC with Linux.  I read the README file and it
> > > tells me to get "the source or the debian package".  I don't have Debian
> > > Linux; so I choose the Unix VM source.  It's nicely put together and I have
> > > no trouble building the VM, but it doesn't include either the sources, the
> > > image or the changes files.
> > >
> > > I look at the Debian files and they end in .deb.  I have no idea if I can
> > > read such a file and I would rather not waste my time downloading several
> > > meg that I cannot read.  I decide to download the windows release, knowing
> > > that I can unpack it, and I find that it contains the platform independent
> > > files I need.
> > >
> > > Why did I have to guess?  Why aren't the files available in a clearly
> > > marked and conveniently organized manner?  Fortunately, I knew a lot about
> > > what I was looking for.  I was not a totally clueless beginner.  Otherwise
> > > I might have just given up.
> > >
> > >       Duane
> > >
> > >
> > > Current directory is /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0
> > >
> > > Up to higher level directory
> > >   README                                   1 Kb    Thu Mar  8 00:03:00 2001
> > >   README~                                  1 Kb    Mon Mar  5 14:22:00 2001
> > >   Squeak-3.0pre2.tar.gz                  706 Kb    Mon Feb 12 18:38:00 2001
> > > application/gzip
> > >   Squeak-MacOSX-VM-3.0-2001.03.04.s...   945 Kb    Sun Mar  4 09:16:00 2001
> > > application/gzip
> > >   Squeak3.0-OS2.zip                     7764 Kb    Mon Feb  5 13:38:00 2001
> > > application/zip
> > >   Squeak3.0-mac.sit.bin                 7840 Kb    Wed Mar  7 17:40:00 2001
> > > application/x-macbinary
> > >   Squeak3.0-win.zip                     8267 Kb    Wed Feb 28 03:22:00 2001
> > > application/zip
> > >   Squeak3.0.sea.bin                     5336 Kb    Sun Feb 18 18:32:00 2001
> > > application/x-macbinary
> > >   files/                                           Tue Mar 20 13:23:00 2001
> > > Directory
> > >   squeak-image_3.0-3_all.deb            4684 Kb    Tue Feb 27 19:21:00 2001
> > >   squeak-sources_3-1_all.deb            3352 Kb    Tue Feb 13 17:37:00 2001
> > >   squeak-vm_3.0pre2-3_i386.deb           471 Kb    Wed Mar  7 17:01:00 2001
> > >
> > > Current directory is /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.1_alpha
> > >
> > > Up to higher level directory
> > >   Squeak3.1-win.zip                     8351 Kb    Thu Mar 15 18:24:00 2001
> > > application/zip
> > >   Squeak3.1a-3776.zip                   5731 Kb    Wed Mar  7 05:23:00 2001
> > > application/zip
> > >   Squeak3.1a-3812.zip                   5903 Kb    Sun Mar 11 14:02:00 2001
> > > application/zip
> > >   Squeak3.1a-3828.zip                   5975 Kb    Fri Mar 16 04:51:00 2001
> > > application/zip
> > >   Squeak3.1a-3848.zip                   6022 Kb    Sat Mar 17 04:25:00 2001
> > > application/zip