[Modules] Introducing MobVM

PhiHo Hoang phiho.hoang at home.com
Tue Aug 21 00:06:51 UTC 2001


> > Bijan Parsia wrote:

> > I heard that the image can be embedded in the VM.
>
> Yes. And in spite of your sarcasm/reductio attempt (:)), it's been
> *seriously argued* that the 4 file install is too much.
>

    I hope 'MobSqueak' will have your support to make it a working truely 1
file install Squeak.

    If the core bootstrap networking stuff in the micro kernel does not work
out as expected, I think I know where to turn for help ;-)

    Cheers,

    PhiHo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bijan Parsia" <bparsia at email.unc.edu>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Modules] Introducing MobVM (was Components or Modules??)


> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, PhiHo Hoang wrote:
>
> > Bijan Parsia wrote:
> >
> > > But there's something *golden* about having a 4 file install (vm,
image,
> > > sources, and changes). Wrestingly with VisualWorks packages and paths
> [snip]
> > > Anything that sends me scurrying to the filesystem makes me want to
> > HOLLER!
> > > (And not in joy :))
> [snipped stuff not directly related to this point]
>
> >     Here, here. If 4 file install is that good, I guess 3 file install
is
> > even better.
>
> Not clearly.
>
> > I heard that the image can be embedded in the VM.
>
> Yes. And in spite of your sarcasm/reductio attempt (:)), it's been
> *seriously argued* that the 4 file install is too much.
>
> [snip]
> > > I think this is on the side of the "casual hacker" person :) I'm
fairly
> > > sure all involved are with me, but I feel inclined to make noise about
> > > this. The monolithic image has virtues and I'd rather not *lose* them,
if
> > > at all possible.
> >
> >     If it is possible to embed a binary file (image) in another binary
(VM)
> > then it's no brainer (?) to embed the merged real source into that VM
with
> > embedded image (I think REBOL has about 2Meg. of source text in the
> > Rebol.exe, VM + compressed text source about 500K). Voila, THE ULTIMATE
> > really truly monolithic Squeak ;-)
> >
> >     Any taker ?
>
> Not me, but there have been many who've so argued :)
>
> [snip]
>
> One thing about the 4 files is that they *are* reasonable modular...I tend
> to run multiple image/changes with 1 vm/sources, and several vms with 1
> sources. So image+changes...that's definitely interesting, but not
> critical imho :)
>
> I *would* like smarter decompiling (i.e., storing variable names &
> comments in the image), but that's a different issue.
>
> Cheers,
> Bijan Parsia.
>
>
>





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