On Sunday, August 26, 2001, at 06:52 PM, Andreas Raab wrote:

> Je77,
>
>> I really like the alternate look. It's a great mixture of fun Squeak
>> coloring combined with black text on white background.

I agree that the new alternativeWindowLook generally looks pretty good, 
for the things that it changes.  I'd vote that it should remain as the 
default choice.  (By the way, shouldn't it go in the "windows" 
preferences group, not the "browsing" group?  The browsing group has too 
many items as it is.)

(Henrik Gedenryd and I were planning on working on a New Look awhile 
ago, but we never actually got started on it, so it's probably good that 
someone else is doing some actual work on it. :)  There are still some 
additional improvements that could be made to the alternativeWindowLook, 
I'd say... see our page at http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/newLook 
for some ideas.)

>> The only thing
>> that makes me cringe is the scrollbars; they just don't fit
>> in. Here's a simple suggestion of how to make them fit in:
>>
>> 	Make the borderColor equal the PaneColor darker.
>
> I've tried a few versions but I didn't like any of those in particular. 
> If
> you have some code that makes it look reasonably nice, I'd be happy to 
> pick
> it up.

Yeah, the scrollbars are really starting to stick out now as "not quite 
fitting in".

The black border around them is way too dark, and maybe they're a bit 
too dark in general.  I would probably lighten them to look more like 
the ones in Henrik's blue look. (see 
http://www.lucs.lu.se/people/Henrik.Gedenryd/Squeak/scrollbar.jpg )

Maybe they wouldn't need to be lightened quite that much, but that's the 
general idea.  The color of the scrollbar thumb could be a lighter 
version of the window frame color, too.

Just some suggestions for whoever's thinking of working on this.  (If no 
one does, I might try to work on it at some point when I have time. :) )

- Doug Way
   dway at riskmetrics.com